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[–] KintsugiKa 1 points

Would we be forgiving and benevolent, or murderous and vengeful once the truth of our history comes out?

To answer this, one just has to take a quick look at what humans do to one another.

I want answers. I want truth. I want transparency, and the information made available to me to discern, on my own, who is friend and who is foe.

But I do not, for one second, place any trust in the hope of humanity as a whole to do what is right and just.

Humanity will be angry. Humanity will want to retaliate and seek vengeance. The problem will lie in the same mistake humans always make - they will infallibly direct their ire and contempt in the wrong direction.

We are no different than them, and our evolution into the same monsters they have become is inevitable. In fact, I'd argue it is already complete.

It's the same cycle, over and over, playing out time and time again across this universe.

Unending.

Unerring.

As above, so below.

And I'd be fine if every damn person got shoved off this fucked up merry-go-round.

[–] garbotalk 3 points

Forgiveness would require them to first STOP ALL EXPLOITATION. Until and unless they do that, we are at an impasse.

[–] KintsugiKa 1 points

What makes them any more worthy of forgiveness than us?

[–] garbotalk 1 points

They tempt us. We fall for it. We are all unworthy. However, there is mercy for those who repent from our shared God.

[–] KintsugiKa 2 points

But no one has given me a clear answer as to why I should feel any more or less pity for one or the other.

What is the difference between how the Kayeen exploit humanity and how humans exploit their own?

One could say that they've been around a while and should "know better" by now, but I'd argue we should "know better," too.

The fact remains that we are all led by corrupt, egotistical, fucks. Humans, Kayeen, Naigaje, and Ba'alaket alike.

My respect and prayers go out to any individual who realizes this, but I cannot find any space in my heart for one whole species above another.

And, unfortunately, those individuals who have awoken to the truths of the universe are few and far between.

As such, when forced to look at each species in totality, they're all deserving of damnation.

[–] garbotalk 3 points

We have all fallen short. Judgment and mercy are God's domain. However, some of us may bear witness to the atrocities then, and now. I'm not ready to give up.

[–] velezaraptor 1 points

I know it was said, but better to reiterate too: Never give up on any cause held dear. Our will will follow those convictions set by judgement and mercy. The goal line is placed by the intent of the righteous, from those who hold the “line”. One is either a spectator, on the fence, or player of keeps.

If we forget how to forgive, we lose.

[–] garbotalk 3 points

I think I could forgive. I'm not into revenge. It seems like wasted emotion that only leads to more sorrow and a circle of pain.

What I desire is for this madness of hurting people to stop! I look out at night and see alien ships come peek at me. Some good guys, some bad guys. I know many are grey errand synths flying around, grabbing unsuspecting innocent people and traumatizing them as they follow their programming to get samples. If you scream, they don't stop. If you fight, they grab you and suction you to the floor, alter your mind, then carry on doing their thing. When you wake back in your bed, you panic and look for the evidence. A bruise? A hole in your skin? Are you sore? Did they take something out of you? Did they put something in?

Your memories are flashes. No one else near you woke up, that you know of. If they did, they don't say anything. If you talk about it, people assume it was just a nightmare. You feel gaslighted. Helpless. Useless. Guilty. How many of us go through this?

My mother had cancer that killed her. Did they give it to her? Did they collect it from her as it grew? Did they cut it out after she died? Did she die young and rob me from a mother and my kids from a grandmother so some fucking Kayeen could live a little longer at her expense?

Are my kids and grandkids and everyone else's families going to become nothing but vessels for some greedy nihilist aliens? Or slaves? You will own nothing and be happy. No more personality. No more humor. Just augmented automatons walking around with thought police telling you not to think about things and to focus on your job. Meanwhile, your soul is in a coma while your body is puppeted by an intruder.

I know what's coming. And all most people tell me is to provide proof or else why believe? I'm Henny Penny. And the sky is falling, or rather, aliens are falling on this world from the sky.

Those who believe in the possibility of aliens think they must be benign since they don't remember meeting them. They might remember seeing their ships in the sky. How cool! Look at that! I wish I could meet them! Most likely, you already have. You think it was a dream or a nightmare. You think because they're more advanced, they must be more ethical. They're just watching us, nothing to worry about. Go back to sleep.

Those who don't believe in aliens are a special kind of deluded. They think we're too important for bad things to happen to us. We're God's children. Angels watch over us. They don't accept the fact that angels and demons are all flesh and blood aliens who are stuck here too.

Most aliens really don't like us. Some might help us in obedience, but they resent us. And the rest truly enjoy raping us, stealing from us and fooling us into doing their bidding. We are their product, part of their business. They don't even think of us as individuals. We're bunnies fenced in, waiting with our paws out for our ranchers to provide for us.

Our children are so precious. Aliens want to bleed them, have sex with them, and even wear them. How sick is that? Some of our leaders were bribed or blackmailed to let this happen to us, as long as they retain power and money. Our entire history is filled with betrayers selling us out to these leeches. We're managed, not served. We're propagandized, not warned. We're exploited, not helped. Everything is hidden and transactual.

If I didn't have faith and know the promises of the bible inside and out, I might become depressed. Instead, I'm hopeful. I don't believe in an unjust God. I don't accept that He is indifferent to our suffering. I refuse to accept that we are powerless to change our path.

Change starts with truth, then acceptance of reality. After that, everything is possible. We are creative, clever, calculating children of God. There is nothing we can't figure out once we have all the pieces to the puzzle. We can turn the tables on our watchers. They know this about us, even more than we do. That's why they sabotage out history, math, science, engineering, all of it. They are astounded at our nerve, our bravery, our strength. That's why they want to wear us in the first place!

We can do things they can not. We are audacious, truly. If we listened to the whispers of God, we could beat the Goliaths of this world, just like David. We could strike the heel of Achilles and watch him fall. We could throw the money-changers out of the Temple. We could repent and forgive and thrive! I truly believe this. And that's how I cope, because I hope and trust that God has a plan.

[–] Irishwolfhound82 1 points

Amen to all of this 🙏

[–] FrontDirect7269 1 points

I see you are a fellow black pill enjoyer.

You are correct.

Greed exists in all forms of life in this universe. It took me a while to realize how it is part of the base function of existence, but it is fairly undeniable at this point.

This whole universe is also transactional so the idea of doing something for any other reason than "self" on an "institutional" or societal level, thought intellectually viable, just will not realistically manifest.

I used to hope that latent greed could be repurposed towards "great works" or something similar, but I do not see the way forward. Society clearly has the intellectual understanding of the benefits of working for "all" and how it builds success faster than individual hoarding, it is just easier to adopt the approach of the parasite.

I think the hardest part is just the dishonesty about the whole thing. As long as they can convince enough "suckers" to buy into the "ideal" while doing the opposite when no one is looking we will be stuck in this cycle of self-defeat... this is true for every society that exists. Change has to happen at the top, and the top has to have the will to see it through till the end...that road is difficult and long, and there appear to be no real takers.

Clearly every society presented, either by these subs, or the whole of humanity comes up wanting.

So, fuck 'em; they can have the society they build, after all they deserve it.

[–] KintsugiKa 2 points

I separately had it brought to my attention that not all developed societies of sentient species function in this manner, but I have to see that evidenced here by either humanity or its oppressors.

So, until I have evidence of that, it's hard to disagree with your conclusion of "Fuck 'em."

Edit:

Despite that (and after looking into what the fuck "black pilled" meant), I'd still like to formally denounce nihilism.

There are individual sparks of light that shine brightly in the darkness, and every single soul should strive to live a life of truth, justice, charity, and love.

I can't ignore these beacons of hope. I am just keenly aware of the fact that, when observed in general terms, every damn species mentioned in this subreddit deserves its just punishments.

[–] FrontDirect7269 1 points

I am not a preacher of nihilism either, in fact the idea is so foreign to me that I have had to look up the definition multiple times and I still don't completely understand it as a concept.

The "black pill" is just realizing how fucked up the system is, everyone's response to that knowledge is different.

I have just decided to adopt the "knowledge is its own reward" philosophy, which is selfish in its own right; but this is the system in which we find ourselves. The Rick Sanchez approach seems the only viable option on the table, even if the probabilistic success is low.

[–] LucePrima 3 points

Hard not to agree that we are all led by 'corrupt, egotistical maniacs,' whether they hail from this star or a distant one

The problem however is that humanity has been coerced and manipulated by these Ael species since our very beginnings, and thus its impossible to separate their corrupting influence from our own designs and conduct

If I were in the position to resolve this imbroglio, as the Assembly someday doubtless will be, I would reserve my harshest judgements for those 'sons' and 'daughters' of God that have overseen the extraction and commercialization of product from these vulnerable machines, rather than towards His 'children' that merely operate them

[–] KintsugiKa 3 points

Oh, I do reserve my harshest judgment for our "benefactors..." I'll be the first to say that the Kayeen and Ba'alaket, at least, are a disgrace to what their respective monikers represent. I just refuse to allow humanity to get off scot-free in the culpability department.

[–] solat-principle7 5 points

The time for Consortium on this world is running out. And the end result, a higher order precedence, will affect many species far from here.

There are a lot of Humans right now seeking out the truth and that number is growing rapidly in numbers. The truth of their origins. The truth of aliens hiding. The truth of their own consciousness and value being stolen from them. This is while aliens here have to use to lies, deception, depopulation and false truths to cover their own crimes. To hide their cities and ships while they are in front of everyone.

That great veil and strategic advantage will end. It is a matter of time before they are exposed.

It has been written in many ancient tablets, bindings, books, scrolls and surfaces that there will be a tribulation. There will be a war. The Highest will come back and that window for "mercy" will be extremely narrow. If not at all for these aliens. He already gave them His warning.

Many aliens and humans will not survive when this happens. Many governments and its leaders will not survive. For those humans that consciously complied, sold out, made the devils deal, received the mark, branded themselves like cattle and aligned to these aliens here assume legal rulings placed upon them through their alien handlers.

Humans who choose to stand their ground, refuse these aliens here, refuse to be branded, help others value their consciousness, they should be honored. They will testify and be honored. Especially those who knew the truth.

That goes for any alien that does what is right under Him here. For His sons and daughters went on their worlds and taught them.

They do know better.

The grays too have right to consciousness and their own value as well.

[–] NoInstruction3663 1 points

Why forgive? Well, do you want to live like an embittered fool for your whole (short) life?

And who are you to generalise humanity and what it will or will not do? Unless you have spoken to each and everyone of those who constitute and influence this entity you speak of, you cannot judge it as a whole. It is sentiments like these that keep the "cycle" you speak of going. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

[–] KintsugiKa 2 points

Speaking to every single person on this planet would defeat the purpose of what a "generalization" is...

And said generalization is based on historical evidence that supports the claim that humans are destructive and vengeful.

I've made it very clear that my contempt does not lie with the very few individuals that rise above this cycle. Unfortunately, though, they are not the ones calling the shots - for humanity or otherwise.

[–] NoInstruction3663 1 points

We can play with words and semantics all day, my friend. You knew what I meant.

But I wonder if you would proclaim "I don't want to forgive!", in a petulant fashion, when a fully fleshed and armoured alien in all their regalia stood right in front of you.

With your butthole puckered and a pout in place, all the while stamping your feet, there would not be a blip in the timeline of space that would register among all those that already passed in a similar fashion before you, before you are jettisoned and blasted into oblivion.

You want it this way? Ok. Duly noted.

[–] KintsugiKa 3 points

No, I did not know what you meant.

I'm not sure I know what you mean in the rest of this comment, either.

Who is appearing before me? Why? What are they asking forgiveness for? Why has this shifted from the general views of entire species to a personal individual encounter? How do you presume to know what causes my butthole to pucker? Why are you thinking about my butthole?

[–] NoInstruction3663 1 points

Oh? Oh. Have I touched a nerve with the talk of buttholes and the like?

I’m glad we’ve regressed and convalesced to the most basic of terms which you understand and don’t have to backtrack on.

It means you’re up in your ass.

[–] KintsugiKa 2 points

That presupposes there is a nerve to be struck, and I assure you I am not that committed to this conversation.

You still didn't answer my questions. Additionally, what exactly have I backtracked on?

I have made it abundantly clear that on an individual basis, I bear no ill will towards anyone - human or otherwise.

On a broad scale, I'm disillusioned by the behaviors of various species - human or otherwise.

I see no reason to assume humanity as a whole will suddenly grow a collective conscience and decide to act graciously and benevolently should full disclosure occur.

Add the fact that contrition is a prerequisite for absolution, and I don't see anyone forgiving anybody any time soon.

[–] NoInstruction3663 1 points

Don’t preach to me or anyone about “absolution” or “Catholicism” when you can’t even practice it.

[–] KintsugiKa 2 points

I'm... not... preaching to you about Catholicism. Nor have I ever claimed to be an exemplary practitioner of it. 😂