100% Garbo. These are the actionable deliverables which we can do now. Our actions now will determine the future. As to what future people want - that is the question. 

There is no point in speculating how punishment will be mete out on those who have wronged us and the far off speculations as to how this may happen. We can only focus on the here and now and put our energies into this. If not for yourself, then for others.

Ever heard of "breaking the cycle?"

It seems like many haven't.

Don’t preach to me or anyone about “absolution” or “Catholicism” when you can’t even practice it.

Oh? Oh. Have I touched a nerve with the talk of buttholes and the like?

I’m glad we’ve regressed and convalesced to the most basic of terms which you understand and don’t have to backtrack on.

It means you’re up in your ass.

We can play with words and semantics all day, my friend. You knew what I meant.

But I wonder if you would proclaim "I don't want to forgive!", in a petulant fashion, when a fully fleshed and armoured alien in all their regalia stood right in front of you.

With your butthole puckered and a pout in place, all the while stamping your feet, there would not be a blip in the timeline of space that would register among all those that already passed in a similar fashion before you, before you are jettisoned and blasted into oblivion.

You want it this way? Ok. Duly noted.

Why forgive? Well, do you want to live like an embittered fool for your whole (short) life?

And who are you to generalise humanity and what it will or will not do? Unless you have spoken to each and everyone of those who constitute and influence this entity you speak of, you cannot judge it as a whole. It is sentiments like these that keep the "cycle" you speak of going. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.

😁

Thank you for sharing!

❤️

Actually, I also agree to a certain extent. "Boot camps" might sound harsh, but gentle reminders and placating offers of these opportunities are not particularly effective in terms of being a motivating force into action/change. We are all humans. We should know this. We work/grow best under pressure and in competition/if we have something to loose.

It is not unheard of for someone to be on the dole for more than 10/20 years, despite efforts to put them into programs to help them obtain skills which could help them get jobs. The fact is, no one would work if they didn't have to, or didn't have a need to.

I would actually recommend a "Boot camp" of sorts for everyone. (Not that I am anyone to say so) but I think it is better to have a subconscious need to impart a helpful effect on society (in terms of what you can contribute) than to be living mindlessly as we are now. Do we even know why we are doing the things we do? What's our ultimate goal? Maybe that's why we're having such problems directing our modernity - we have no goals/vision (bar those indoctrinated into us by corporations).

I believe once I read that the Kayeen have a rotary system in their society where all citizens need to try out different jobs in their formative years to understand the efforts included in each job - should that be agriculture, hospitality etc. I definitely don't condone the efforts of the Kayeen here, but I thought that was quite a good idea. We definitely are a species that suffers from amnesia/apathy and to build/cultivate empathy, we need to step out of our bubbles and understand what life is like for others. This would probably have to be done once in a while.

I once worked as a cleaner and the toilets needed to be cleaned every hour - the reason being is that people cannot be trusted to collectively keep a bathroom clean for more than that amount of time. Of course, toilets being closed would lead to people getting angry and I once had a lady ask me disgruntledly, "Why don't you just clean the toilets in the morning?" My co-worker and I exchanged wry looks and we both agreed that it would be in shambles by the time we arrived at the end of the day. There would be so much toilet paper strewn around that nobody would be able to walk around without having to carefully step over the mess on the floor. My inward thoughts were "This lady has definitely never worked a day in her life as a cleaner before." And it shows.

The same can be said for every other person who carelessly creates mess without thinking twice. Think FIFA World Cup style. Only recently it made the news that the Japanese "actually helped clean" the stadium after the game. It just shows you how far we have gone that to see such behaviours relating to stewardship as "shocking" or "amusing."

That's why I would say a rotary system of jobs could be beneficial in cultivating empathy - perhaps if that lady or those football fans worked as cleaners before, or had cleaning up after themselves indoctrinated into them since childhood, they would not have made such a mess in the first place.

Anyways, that's my take - obviously each case is different. Sometimes in comfort, we forget.

"You have to make up your mind either to make sense or to make money, if you want to
become a [human product] designer." - R. Buckminster Fuller

Rdubya3387, I hope you don’t mind me hijacking this reply you’ve made to Firstladytree. I sense your concerns and would like to direct you to a book which I’ve just recently “rediscovered” in my files as I was reorganizing them today. I haven’t found any sites which have echoed RD’s and Garbo’s sentiments yet, but this book is the first of the kind for me.

I find it particularly peculiar and significant that this book has been sitting in my files for perhaps more than two years (I don’t exactly remember), but something interesting is that it precedes even my discovery of RD’s and Garbotalk’s subreddits!

This is why I feel compelled to share it to you as it is such a strange coincidence that it happened to occur when you have voiced your concerns. I had forgotten about this book in its entirety and the contents therein but decided to read it today after coming across it during my file reorganization.

It is called "The Key" by Whitely Strieber (https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Whitley%20Strieber%20-%20The%20Key.pdf). It broadly echoes RD’s and Garbo’s sentiments and is quite concise! I may be wrong, but it has provided me with another way in which to perceive the things shared here.

I implore anyone who comes across this comment to have a look at what this book says and see what you make of it. I am sharing it because its contents relate in part to secrecy as being one of the ills in which will destroy society. Just as it is now.

I am also writing this in the hopes that I am not offending any parties by sharing the link which I provided above. I typed in “The Key” by Whitely Strieber PDF on the Google search engine and it was the first link that appeared. If by any chance that indeed is the case, then I will gladly and promptly delete this comment.

I am worried for future generations, but this gives me some hope. I didn’t know about this! Thank you! Although I don’t particularly like the way that China is being so insidious (albeit clever) with their tactics (yes, the end justifies the means) but the USA should know better. I don’t mind who answers the Beacon but I also acknowledge that competition also brings out the best (and worse…).

Rdubya3387, I understand why you are concerned with these polarising issues and how they might make us look, but the truth is that we can never go back.

I used to be ignorant of all the issues on this subreddit and I used to live each day without a clue of the manufactured zeitgeist, which is slowly indoctrinating society, but now I’ve become more aware of the intentions that some have.

I used to live without any foresight (why would I? I am human and will die. There will be no difference that I will make for humanity and society at large). If I let children decide that they want to become the opposite gender and inadvertently also sterilize themselves – who am I to say no, they can’t? I want to be “inclusive’” and “kind”. But that’s wrong to think and does more damage than good. We are now responsible because we are more aware. How would you feel if you had information that could help someone and yet you still hold it back?

Now that we know the reality of the human condition and their current (unbeknownst) exchange with countless alien species, we should have ideals which we should pursue to elongate the probability from which humanity can more readily answer the beacon. If society can be kept as close to a “good ideal” as possible, that will be brilliant. These ideals are important because we still have maybe 30 years to answer the beacon. A lot can change in 10 years if you think about it. This is quite important. For example, look at social media. I think the youth nowadays aspire to be like celebrities (their lifestyles which are made more prevalent via social media every day). They want to be like them. Why would you go to college/university and waste all that money and effort when you can be like influencers or Kim Kardashian who got famous through a sex tape? It teaches youth that perversity and narcissism is rewarded, and education and toil is not. Are these the ideals that we want? What would be the repercussions of having such a generation?

Regarding those “intelligent minds” who you think would be detracted from answering the beacon (if they read opinions which counteracted to the way they currently think – so be it). They are not open minded enough to consider other options and they are their own worst enemies. They are not who we seek.

The fact that the beacon is even possible is a fantastical feat on its own (for us at the moment). We need to be open to being a little “crazy” to achieve the impossible.

This is amazing Garbo - one of my favourite posts! I hope I can learn from this and take it to heart from here on out.

“Tale as Old as Time?”🥀

Wow (considering my ignorance in politics)…thank you…this was unexpected but I hope it helped in some way.

Trump is not a symptom. He is a comorbidity. Realise that the relationship is symbiotic.

The fact that you have a tier list makes it seem like you have/are on a "side" - so it seems like there is one which is to be blamed the most and the other less.

You make good points about the hand that was dealt but the hand was the accumulation of all efforts.

The Beacon? Is this the “two-edged” sword? The sword of his “mouth”?

Is this an absolute? Jesus himself was one of us (I think…) and was called the “Lamb of God”.

Ahh I see. Yes I was doing that - I sometimes (stupidly) forget that there are sociopaths and voids. If that is the type of entity that you were referring to, then yes it seems entirely plausible.

I am thinking...maybe it could be such that the Kayeen/Consortium are currently fueling this culture... It's in their best interest to have a weakened humanity...

Yes...actually I am a woman too. At first I read it and found it plausible (I know where you are coming from) but reading it again..I won't say you are outright wrong... but I wonder if you will still think the same in maybe 10 years time?

But remember this one thing. Even "attractive" women are not as confident as you make them out to be.

Women for the most part value monogamy in the same way she values security, safety and as a means to provide her offspring with a comfortable homelife.

What you see "painted" on the so called "walls" of each generation is not a direct proportionate parrallel to reality - just as social media is not reminiscent of reality in any way.

Also context is important when talking about historical customs and dress.

Never deal in black and whites and absolutes.

Your truth may be different in someone else's eyes.

But of course I must do the same and reconcile myself with the fact that you think this way too, so it does go both ways.

Did you ever show a woman this?

So we aspire to be war-making, volatile machines? How pathetic. We can’t even regulate our own emotions properly and manual firearm misuse is still a problem. There is truly no foresight for people (humans) who promote and propose this. 😡

Yes definitely, we should be content about how God has made us (but there can be questions thrown around about how true to the original form we are, when our species has been so heavily edited by others. Maybe we used to live longer? Maybe we use to have no illnesses so this doesn't warrant "under-the-skin" interventions. But as it stands we can't do anything about that and have to accept things the way it is. We are also helping other species through our immunities and technological endeavours).

Edit: actually we can do something about it if we answer the Beacon

In general, there can be a debate about such issues. I am definitely against arbitrary under-the-skin interventions/implants but there are exceptions to this rule that must be considered.

I wasn't referring to life extension by any means in the above comment(s) which I made, but if you are talking about the augmentations which I mentioned, then they are the under-the-skin interventions which you related to in your comment.

We are already "augmenting" our bodies with foreign objects to deal with illnesses and chronic pain that we endure due to the contagions that we have received (e.g Cancer). People have to take medicine after treatment (e.g Chemotherapy) to deal with the pain and to try to maintain a semblance of normalcy in their lives. From research, pain is the number one factor that Cancer patients dread and fear. Intrathecal drug delivery has been shown to be more effective than other drug delivery systems and often times this includes the use of infusion pumps (which are implanted under the skin). There are a whole host of other "under-the-skin" medical treatments which have to be taken account of, when you might suggest to rule them out.

To rule them out would deprive those who have these conditions to even live their lives in the "freedom, truth and compassion" that you mentioned. They would probably be in great pain and suffering...

I suppose it really depends on what it does and clear distinctions will need to be implemented to control the space. We're not going to stop our endeavours on "implants" in any case.The current trajectory is that we will go farther to advance on it.

There is also the other type of "augmentation" that can change the way we are biologically (but the Kayeen are a cautionary tale)... Not only have they proved to us the fallacy of seeking "Godlike perfection" but also the failures in "life-extension".If life-extension was currently biologically possible then they would already be doing it. But it's not and they are trying to use us to do it.

Basically what I gather from this, is that God has a plan. You cannot do what he does, and if you do, you will find that things will work against you because a hidden hand is keeping everything in check.

Using the primitive "under-the-skin" implants we have now is quite a safe road (for now) but it's going to get treacherous.

Are you new here too? The only response I can give to you is that I don’t really want to say because I don’t want to mislead you through my own interpretation of facts laid out. I can only recommend you to go back through the archives to the source of the information written by RD and Garbotalk. I too made the mistake of asking questions without fully reading through the forum and now realise how ignorant I sounded (not saying you are ignorant). But that’s probably why RD asks Garbotalk to not “spoon feed” us. It’s good too, because then you can generate your own view of things instead of relying on a regurgitated narratives (which sometimes can skew things). Have fun reading!

Thank you! Will do!

Ahh I see. Yes, I suppose it is grey area for me too. On one hand I want to hear everyone out, but I also know that there are limits. You have explained it every well thank you!

And your last paragraph is exactly what I am thinking too. You put it down so concisely!

Thank you for this! It is perfectly summarised and clearer to me now. But neverthless I will have to do my due diligence in going through the archives.

Yes the situation is worse everytime I find out more of it. I am able to look at the world in newer eyes now, but I am thankful that they need us more than we need them.

They did not forsee that giving us the sentience and characteristics that are so desired by them that it could be both a boon and a bane.

Let us not create bad relations or point fingers. Every piece of information which Garbo and RD gives us in this forum has the potential to change the course of humanity and it’s progress. If this happened in undue time it would be disastrous (?) (for whichever species this may affect). That is the only deduction that I can think of in their omitting of important information and the accidental mistakes in regurgitation of information.

I think you have been a good player in this forum and have made comments which similar to Garbo have given me pause. I will not begin to even imagine that I will add anything of significance to the conversation but I can see the efforts here and it is heartening.

When you mention bouncers tossing unwelcome ideas out - does that refer to comments being deleted if they do not fit the narrative? That is quite concerning for me.

Do not fret Garbo. I am able to use my discernment when I see your answers. We are all human and liable to make mistakes. I believe you have been trying your best and you sometimes give fantastic interpretations and answers which give me pause and change the way I view things. It might be true that sometimes mistakes are there, but that can be expected with the large reams of people who are asking you these questions and conversing with you. Moreover the subject which are we speaking about is complex and I assume you don’t know the full picture too as RD is limited in the narratives which he can describe. Humans will always be biased in some sort of way (and of course we should try and acknowledge this) Don’t feel bad in anyway, you have been very good in your role.

I apologise if this is impertinent - but how else are we to get information or know about the "situation" if Garbotalk does not "spoon feed" us? We have no valid reference but you and Garbotalk to see to. Why are you requesting her to omit information?

Well...it is truly disappointing that the situation is such that our (and other subjugated species) only option is the last one. I can only say that “their” actions do not make me respect them very much (and they describe themselves in such a way to be superior to us).

I can only deduce that they are not as advanced as us in talent or skill. In theory, they have had eons to advance and evolve and still they choose to use our “primitive” inventions and products? When we answer the beacon and are free from their manipulation, I should think that we will surpass them – maybe that is what they are afraid of.

But I don't understand. One can live forever and have power but what do they obtain in the end? It is an endless cycle. I can only assume that it gets boring and trivial after sometime. There is no undulating path which they can compare this to - or is there? Have they experienced poverty/lack to such an extent to which their current psyche is fixated on this goal (to the deteriment of others which their "bible" also speak against)?

Maybe I am too simple minded to understand the allure of these constructs.

As a species that benefits from our immunities, they will never know the pain of having an illness befall them or the suffering which occurs. They will not know the meaning of "health is wealth". They will only know wealth - which is not something which can buy happiness in any way. The fact that they may have forgotten what pain feels like makes them forget to have empathy.

The situation is indeed frustrating. At this point I am not even sure why the Assembly trusted them in the first place after the cataclysm. Regardless, humans will learn from this experience (I hope).

Ahhh I see! - That is what you mean by Augmentation. Yes for sure, any augmentation for "arbitrary" reasons (like getting chipped) are a no no for me too, as anything foreign object in the body has the potential to harm it (e.g. Foreign Body Reaction - FBR). But that being said, in the medical space, surgical implants are becoming a source of interest as they may be more effective than conventional oral and topical drugs...Things like drug infusion pumps can be said to be an augmentation, I suppose...But they are for people who deal with chronic illnesses and their side effects like pain...but they are also potentially being looked at for other approches. So yes I suppose there is no escaping this "augmentation" but rather what its used for.

Regarding the use of "artificial humans", I am just curious as to what the Consortium think their long term "business plan" is. One day we will answer the beacon and they will have to pivot their business case to one which will not conflict with the interests of humans as a whole. We are their current "product" but they will either need to get a "new product" or liase with us to redefine their current one. We will not be cheap either...

I would also argue that as humans we might even be helping them with this endeavour (in creating/redefining this new product/artifical human) - as we too are looking to make more accurate replications of the human system - even though admittedly we at the infancy of such findings. Things like organ-on-a-chip for example, are one of the ways which we are trying to replicate an in vivo (in the body) process. An organ-on-a-chip is basically an engineered chip with channels that try to replicate the architecture, functions and physicochemical enviroment of a human organ. (Its quite interesting so would reccommend checking out!) So we are definitely trying to get out of the space of testing other species to discover new things and trying to be more accurate in our trials. Of course, this cannot compare to the real deal - which are us, the real life human systems but something will have to change when all the smoke and mirrors are gone.

I am naive, but I am thinking that we (everyone in the universe) can help each other gain what we want. I am not sure what the consortium want beyond profit and the depravity which has been imparted by them on this planet, but if money is what they want then maybe we can work out a quid pro quo system. Humans want freedom (?) and if we have to use our talents to create it, then I am all for it.

Yes, that is true. Humans have been augmented, but what I am refering to in my question is not an"augmented human" but an "artifical human". A human who quite possibly has not been naturally concieved but made in a lab (or in which ever way the sciences take it).

As I mentioned to u/UrDumb351 - take this analogy....If humans found a way to make an “artificial human” and it was not sentient or capable of feeling…do you think we would continue to test on lab rats and the like? IMO we would obviously go for the “artificial human” as it is more accurate. Moreover we are not abusing another (helpless) species…I know that the line is blurred on the ethics of using the human one - but for science to progress something has to give.

Also, I found your answer interesting when you mentioned that you are content with the gifts of your birthright. May I ask what this may be? Is it your own individual birthright or the birthright of the human race as a whole? How do you know what your birthright is? Or what the birthright of the human race is? I am unclear about this as you previously mentioned that we are devoid of our birthright due to alien interference.

If augmentation is what I think it is...I believe there is no stopping it from being used. Even if it is not in our best interests, to play catch up and to establish our place in the "universe" it is needed... Moreover, there is no stopping advancement (for good or bad - but hopefully for good). Its not that as a human race we don't feel adequate, but to contend with the potential threats of other species we need to advance. After all, it is the advancements that we have slowly made which made the Consortium rethink our place in the universe and the treatment which we would be worth giving. But again, RD's warning about the blood-born civilisation usurped by their machines is worth giving a think...

That might be true (because I have no idea what the Kayeen actually look like or what they are without their “human sacks” - or maybe I missed the part in the forum where they were described and need to brush up on my info) but I am also wondering about other species like RD. I forget what species he said he was (I think it starts with a B…) but I remember him saying that it took him great pains (and still does) to overwrite his human host as the makeup of his original species is so different to ours. So that’s why I am wondering, why they haven’t advanced to such a level where they don’t need to rely on humans to supply them with immunities and for testing. Why can’t they just make a synth of themselves?

So take this analogy. If humans found a way to make an “artificial human” and it was not sentient or capable of feeling…do you think we would continue to test on lab rats and the like? IMO we would obviously go for the “artificial human” as it is more accurate. Moreover we are not abusing another (helpless) species…I know that the line is blurred on the ethics of using the human one - but for science to progress something has to give.

This might be a stupid question and might be debated on the moral high ground (which we humans like to righteously/naively take). I am also in two minds about this issue.

But considering such advances in creating synths - such as being able to programme them, impart intelligence, feelings, and generally characteristics which are desireable to optimise the job that the "owner" would like them to do - why is it that no human synths have not been created to such a degree? Or have they been?

Considering the cavalier attitude which seems to be subjegated at the use of synths and at the use of humans, I would imagine that a human synth devoid of sentience and "baggage" (such as memory recall, empathy or feeling) would be quite useful for the immunity testing and advancement of the Consortium/Kayeen/Other species. Why risk the wraith of the Assembly and maybe(?) karma(?) when a human synth with a similar biological makeup could be used? Or is the human body so unpredictable that a synthetic replica cannot be made?

Similarly I want to ask why this hasn't been replicated for other sentient species who are more advanced and have answered the beacon. Would a synth with the same biological markers as the testing species be more accurate than a human for trials?

Or is there a law which prohibits such activities? Or even one for creating human synths? More so than using "real sentient humans"?

I know that earth is basically a place where all these contagions can run freely and elsewhere this would be impractical and fatal, but how is the "universe" going to prepare for when we eventually answer the beacon?

I am asking this question under the assumption that other species have surpassed synth making in the biomechanical phase and are onto actual real biology in the synthetic sense. Or is this a stupid assumption?

Yes I agree! ❤️Maybe even just a small step to this change is to restore the faith we have within our own species. In this way we can work together to see what the manipulation is and to use our creative, critical thinking skills and other talents to solve it! We are full of talent (even as suppressed as we are, and I will be excited to see the day when we can truly harness our gifts, own our power and feel proud that we are human). I am hopeful too!

When these deeds are exposed, their species will also learn to not blindly trust (of course in much the same way we do). Their guilt will be a burden they will hold and maybe a lesson that was needed (but at a heavy price). We will all learn, and like siblings, I hope we will learn to build each other up and not tear each other down and in the end forgive one another (not forgetting that those who have wronged us will be punished).

I agree with everything you have said and I thank you for being the passionate voice(s)of this cause. It is just that it is nice to have a well rounded view of what is going on so we know how to better handle the situation (of course with discernment). It is nice to have dialogue and to speak conversationally - sometimes just seeing these warnings are a bit disconcerting and may drive away those who are not so acclimated.

I have no illusions that they may behave exactly how we do (maybe even worse, given their advancements and knowledge that is barred from us - the younger species - and I believe you called them the older siblings once). Through their actions, we may as well be related…Maybe knowing our commonalities/differences may give us somewhat of an advantage? We can drive change but we also need to be strategic.

I agree that as a species we are somewhat disillusioned by our encounters with extra terrestrials, but I think it is only because we naively think that a higher being will always be benign and willing to save us. We as humans know ourselves at our worst. Children being told not to trust strangers is an example of how we don’t even trust ourselves. That, and also everyday we see the corruption of society in the news. We want a reprieve. Hope is the only thing that we have and it is our fuel for a better future. I won’t disagree that ufologists are naively optimistic, but from hearing some of their stories and knowing the truth, we can discern how to better paint the whole picture at hand. Maybe one of them had an encounter that could inform us of some private dealing that the Consortium are planning? I would say not to rule their experiences out entirely.

Before anyone asks, I would like to say I am not a ufologist or an avid defender of them. I’ve never spoken to one and only previously listened for entertainment. It’s just that from hearing their stories and knowing what reptiliandude and garbotalk has told us, I am able to piece the puzzle of our place in this situation in a more neutral way. There are also those who I’ve listened to who don’t consider their interaction(s) as “joyful” - actually, in fact I think they reinforced reptiliandude narrative for me.

Thanks for answering so quickly! When you say you don’t know because of the quarantine, do you mean because of the quarantine (bubble) that is placed on/around earth or the quarantine due to Covid-19?

Hi Garbo, I am just wondering, is this prophecy common knowledge to all (those who have answered the beacon; bar humans) and does the Assembly know about it?