I can see the truth hurts you. Log off. You need it.

I've never seen critical race theory in meat space, but an awful lot of fear-mongering about it online, exploiting decades' of propaganda work that established various mental shortcuts to trigger visceral reactions when exposed to particular key words.

The question of what is being perceived must be applied more ruthlessly inwards.

What business does anyone have citing yahoo.com as a credible source? It's literally a propaganda platform for oligarchs.

Reaction to identity politics is identity politics. There are real ways out, and there are trapdoors abound

This is the result of decades of assassination and intimidation of working class leaders, combined with propagation of tendencies like idpol and anarchism.

FICO is your party papers.

"Conduct that is formally private may become so entwined with governmental policies or so impregnated with a government character that it may be regarded as governmental action. Evans v. Newton, 382 U.S. 296, 299, 86 S. Ct. 486, 488, 15 L. Ed. 2d 373 (1966). In order to determine whether a sufficiently interdependent relationship exists, the Court must examine the particular facts of a given case."

I'm very curious to hear more about the venomous sci-fi thinking we consume. I've often wondered what you might say about works like Dune and Trek, how you perceive our interactions with media and how the memes flow.

I could even imagine Jupiter Ascending, audio track no. 9: reptilliandude commentary

Save me some time and just hold a mirror up to your comments.

Bad is a vague value statement for comparing two equally vague regional divisions.

Regarding China's capitalist economy, are you aware that State Owned Enterprises still form the majority of the economy, that large corporations in China have communist party divisions with decision making power built into them, that the 90 million members of the Communist Party actually serve a functional purpose, many being instrumental to the Organization Department of this command economy? It might be that there is a complex thing going on here that can't be described so emotionally.

Our host has mentioned that most governments really are just people. It's not all reducible to alien intervention. We have our own successes, failures, and genuine interests being worked towards. Humanity cannot remain at war with itself and survive.

I may be a strange one, but this one is a human.

Communist society is built by Capitalist methods if one is to be honest about material conditions. I'm curious what it is exactly you'll take from that.

Consumer is a literal designation when interacting with news-media in this market society.

Logical, used more as a signal than a process.

You're a consumer that focuses on what people pay for you to see in the East.

You should say what you mean.

Aliens here, aliens there, humans everywhere. Don't use aliens as an excuse for your politics.

Just like the proof of such accusations is always handwaved into existence by the largest propaganda apparatus on the planet.

You should be focusing on the west, regardless, unless you're interested in signing up to die in some idealistic crusade.

Too late, I have and I'm a someone! :D

The hint of a smile to reveal the human behind the mask. I do wonder by what means the right to broadcast might be seized for more than a moment.

In a sense, yeah. The propagation of sound is so very difficult to describe with words.

You're welcome. The images of cymatic resonance are also a good analogy.

Ever listen to an artist called Flying Lotus? They're a standout example for me. Even though they don't use any real instruments, every "instrument" in their music has a distinct shape and motion to it in my mind when I listen. Dancing waveforms, impossible horns, strings and bubbles and all other manner of weird things, all existing in discrete locations, separate from one another on a stage. There's color to these forms, too.

It's hard to translate in words how one sense crosses over to another, but I do feel shapes in the space around me, often in me, mostly both. It might just be good visualization practice. I've been a musician since I was very young.

I think that all of these issues are very misunderstood, and at worst still offer nothing but a mirror to Western society. Action on the self, gotta have optimistic energy despite the pain. Anything that diverts resources into war is keeping us path dependent on that original mistake in developing nuclear warfare.

Thank you.

Education to replace older learning. Learning may be monopolized by schools, but it's not the only kind of education that is replaced. Reeducation describes university and apprenticeship as much as it can describe things like camps, prisons, monasteries. Seeing reeducation as entirely tied with evil and brutish authoritarianism helps keep attention away from the helpful forms of reeducation. The USSR was re-educated into the understanding and practices of Capitalist economics. Chinese economic reforms were in essence several reeducations, mistakes made by Mao became the foundation for major changes to the role of private enterprise in the Chinese economy, diplomacy, trade.

I think people don't like it here because it is not a technical term to describe the act of replacing old knowledge with knew knowledge in light of evidence and experience from mistakes made in practice. It's an emotional term used to invoke ideas of people learning at gunpoint. Which does happen, but there are fundamental differences in why across all the expressions of "reeducation". Reeducation is going to be the defacto experience on earth if all of this business comes to a living experience unavoidable globally. Make a mistake in the kind of farming you use, reeducation in a method that doesn't deplete soil. I think this kind of thinking is discouraged by association with the dramatic, so that fundamentals like certain Capitalist axioms and national mythologies are not discarded. TO hinder cooperation and open communication, too.

The direct relation to your comments isn't hard to establish.

What, specifically, about the Chinese system is good? It's one thing to say that there is good and bad about both (while bookmarking the statements with reactionary comments about "CCP felatio sessions"), it's another thing to describe how, precisely, because that would imply a commitment to action in one's own context as opposed to vague support for geopolitical narratives.

What else might you call learning about the *other* in a comprehensive dialogue, if not reeducation? The same goes for learning to separate the useful from the harmful after relentless self-criticism of the outcomes and methods of our governance, which is unavoidably a measure of the value of Capitalism and Western Capitalist Democracy. Open and honest dialogue with the Chinese includes a discussion on how they utilize Capitalism and Democracy to achieve goals, which I am certain would surprise you in its compatibility with the stated goals of the American system. The changes in the Chinese system within the last two decades alone require re-education in order to engage with the present instead of an anachronistic strawman.

Or we could circle-jerk eachother into burning up human lives and ingenuity in some damned-fool idealistic crusade.

The vocabulary you use to describe the discourse around the CPC is laden with emotionality and reactionary impulse. It's as if it's shocking to your senses.

You don't like that there isn't much positive to say about the systems of governance in the west? Tough cookies, the measurable outcomes don't say much different. The attitude of western minds to comparison and competition with China is fearful and adversarial, laden with projection. Chinese conditions are no longer an easy and comfortable excuse for our own actions and ways, they're direct evidence of the inadequacy of our actions in comparison to our words. The shock to western senses is of existing on an equal scale for the first time in centuries. The Empire is decayed and the narcissism of the empire builder's children is kicking into overdrive.

Communication is being coopted by explanation and accusation. More than anything else, humans need open communication with one-another to survive.

Or we could circle-jerk eachother into burning up human lives and ingenuity in some damned-fool idealistic crusade.

Re-education is probably necessary for a people who can't think in nuance and direct living example, who are stuck in a spectacle-driven worldview. Saying the Chinese system has aspects worth emulating, has a technical nature that makes it compelling, is not the same as calling it a perfect utopia. Projecting extremes onto measured statements made about the mortal communist enemy. The west at large is stuck in an emotion-driven narrative of good versus evil, and leaning on literal centuries of indoctrination to shape your opinions of China, which has changed more in the last two decades than the entirety of the west in your entire lifetime. Chinese society has a strong tradition of reform and self-criticism. American society is too stuck in mythology and messianic delusions about its role in history to live in the present and apply reform and self-criticism.

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Have you ever realyl sat down to think about who paid for you to receive all these "truths" about China that have accumulated in your mind like barnacles on a ship traversing an informational sea?

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The narrative on China leads you to self-censor, you will not seek out genuine communication with Chinese people because you think you know their own conditions better than they do. That is dangerous, and we'll be lucky if education can amend the harm that has been done to this nation's capacity to think rationally and act empathetically.

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There are a billion and a half real human beings living in China. 90 million members of the Communist Party of China. Do you really think they have nothing of value to say? That 90 million years of human experience, every year, year after year, yields nothing of value? It is beyond pessimism to declare the entire Chinese nation lost to alien influence. Just as it is beyond pessimism to declare America entirely lost if it changes its ways. There is no "spirit of America". There are just people here, today and now, and their efforts to live together. We have to do better than petty nationalism from the dark ages if we are going to organize and save the species from whatever is actually going down.

Sitting in the highest of places with Him is one thing, but if aphorisms like "as above, so below" hold any truth, the estates of our occupiers are far more accessible than the eternal order they pretend to.

Maybe the 'verse could use some damn dirty apes staining its halls.

I am nothing at all. And what are you? What action does your compass point to?

Do you understand yourself well enough to make proclamations on reality? The less you understand yourself, the lesser your power to make things real.

If you want to remain stuck in the cold war reality indoctrinated into you half-remembered decades ago, that's your business. But why try to carry that reality forward into a community built on the understanding that humanity as a species is not alone, and on the losing side of a system predicated on dividing us against eachother in order to deny us agency and extract everything from us?

Where does your information really come from? Because all it points to is unending warfare in some messianic battle between good capitalism and evil communism. That makes you very useful to certain interests.

The only way I can imagine to encourage people in the west to emulate parts of the Chinese system in ways that suit our own conditions is to lead by some example. But I can't imagine any way to do this with the resources that are accessible to me. I fear that even associating a method with China is enough to trigger a sort of religious zealotry to root out political heretics. I feel like merely surviving the contradictions and extremisms here at home will be hard to manage. But I guess surviving these things in the right way is all the opportunity to prove by example that's needed.

It was a mistake not nuking China back in the 60s and sending them a clear message to rightly fuck off.

You are a hindrance to human freedom and dignity. I suspected you'd pop up in this thread to sow divisive, antagonistic propaganda. But you're dancing around an altogether unhinged level of violent fantasy. You should spend more time reflecting on who put these violent thoughts in your mind.

Adversarial mindsets towards China, having their origin in messianic mindsets about the destiny of the west and some great city on a hill, are a real downer. The opportunity to learn and grow and achieve some development of our own is incredible, but the general population seems to be stuck in the mind-maze of hateful propaganda and exceptionalist narratives. Projecting our sins and failures onto some communist other is an easy emotional crutch, but I don't want to die in an anti-communist crusade, set in motion by centuries of oligarch propagandists and somehow mistaken by modern minds as free-thinking counter-current freedom-fighting . I just want to go to China to learn, and to bring some mechanisms of their success here.

Adversarial mindsets towards China, having their origin in messianic mindsets about the destiny of the west and some great city on a hill, are a real downer. The opportunity to learn and grow and achieve some development of our own is incredible, but the general population seems to be stuck in the mind-maze of hateful propaganda and exceptionalist narratives. Projecting our sins and failures onto some communist other is an easy emotional crutch, but I don't want to die in an anti-communist crusade, set in motion by centuries of oligarch propagandists and somehow mistaken by modern minds as free-thinking counter-current freedom-fighting . I just want to go to China to learn, and to bring some mechanisms of their success here.

Had you half a brain, you'd realize that your points 1, 2, and 3 are programmed outcomes of the propaganda environment you were raised in that you only seem to consider "interesting". Your entire map of life was paid for and delivered to you.

Whose interests?

Please tell me what my goal is, who my buddies are, daddy.

Projection again! You have so much energy to give freely, you'd make a great communist.

If you weren't obsessed with control you wouldn't have kept on doing... whatever it is you're attempting. Your responses are only triggered by my words, they have very little to do with their content. You've assessed me as a long term threat because I'm a prop in your narrative. In reality, I'm just a strange voice on the internet that you have no way of knowing any real facts about.

I didn't like it? Wow...

I do enjoy the laughs, for which I thank you.

I stand by my words. After reading your diatribes in which you spend thousands of words telling me what I am and what socialists are, you try to spin it around on me when I point it out? It just puts emphasis on the point I'm making. You're not in control here, and you don't like that.

Gotcha? Lol. Ok, Sarah Palin. The description of projector still stands.

If I could summarize the entirety of your writings here, it would be one word. Projection.

You don't know what I think I'm actually doing here, but you're always so eager to tell me. You can't control yourself so you try to control others by being able to describe them. It's a pretty weak manifestation of the authoritarian personality.

There's another. You're entirely consumed by emotion. You cannot control yourself or accurately asses your surroundings. It makes you easy to control.

Jesus, man. What a diatribe. Unsourced, unsubstantiated, an endless list of conservative memes. Once again, built on a mountain of assumptions. You spend more time speaking for me than to me. And you say I'm the maniacal authoritarian... You can't even step down from your little box.

Do bear in mind that this massive BULK of material sourced from real, actual books largely from before the internet, is on one topic. One topic.

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There are so many other lies that require hours of dedication to actually learn about.

Here are some links to other media that may strike your curiosity:

• Mark Tauger reviews The Years of Hunger by Davies and Wheatcroft

https://eh.net/book_reviews/the-years-of-hunger-soviet-agriculture-1931-1933/

• Stop spreading Nazi propaganda: on Holodomor

https://socialistmlmusings.wordpress.com/2017/02/15/stop-spreading-nazi-propaganda/

• The Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin’s crime that never took place

http://www.greanvillepost.com/2015/08/10/the-holodomor-hoax-joseph-stalins-crime-that-never-took-place/

• Real Stalin series: famine of 1932

https://espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/famine-of-1932/

• In search of a Soviet Holocaust: A 55 year old famine feeds the Right

https://msuweb.montclair.edu/\~furrg/vv.html

• The Ukrainian famine: only evidence can disclose the truth

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/31/the-ukrainian-famine-only-evidence-can-disclose-the-truth/

• The “Holodomor” and the film “Bitter Harvest” are Fascist lies

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/03/03/the-holodomor-and-the-film-bitter-harvest-are-fascist-lies/

• Holodomor Hoax: the anatomy of a lie invented by West’s propaganda machine

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201510191028730561-holodomor-hoax-invented-hitler-west

• The famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine the eyes of historians, the language of documents

http://www.archives.gov.ua/Sections/Famine/Publicat/Fam-Pyrig-1932.php

• How many people did Joseph Stalin really kill?

https://anti-imperialism.org/2016/02/16/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-really-kill/

• Evidence that Stalin was unaware of conditions in the Ukraine and tried to relieve the situation when he was informed

http://www.stalinsociety.org/2015/10/03/fighting-the-holodomor-myth-archival-evidence-that-stalin-was-unaware-of-conditions-in-the-ukraine-and-tried-to-relieve-the-situation-when-he-was-informed/

YouTube videos

• Why the Holodomor narrative is wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUEi7v2TMpQ

• Holodomor series - part 1 - fraudulent photos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXFXdOz_8Q

• Food shortages and problems in the USSR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUO7_SiJCpw

• Did Stalin continue to export grain as Ukraine starved?

https://youtu.be/SMBJ_nQ4sTA

Oh no, the summary is too big.

• "The conquest of bread was achieved that summer, a victory snatched from a great disaster. The 1933 harvest surpassed that of 1930, which till then had held the record. This time, the new record was made not by a burst of half-organized enthusiasm, but by growing efficiency and permanent organization … This nationwide cooperation beat the 1934 drought, securing a total crop for the USSR equal to the all-time high of 1933."

Strong, Anna Louise. The Stalin Era. New York: Mainstream, 1956, p. 44-45

• in 1920 when the NEP was implemented and the Soviet Union moved from War-Communism, to a temporary stage where a free market existed, the much feared consequences of the market became evident. Despite the previous land reform nearly 3 million peasants, were quickly once again without land, because the kulaks had driven them bankrupt and then bought their land cheaply. This resulted in 10 or 11 percent of the population (kulaks) owning so much land and also horses and machinery compared to the rest of the peasant population that they produced 56 percent of the marketed food. The kulaks largely would decide if the towns would get food or not. Kulak speculation on the food market caused a shortage already in 1927 when the marketed share of grain was only one third of the pre-war years although production had exceeded pre-war figures. This ineffectiveness was what initiated the idea of collectivization, with Lenin writing down the basic idea before his death and Stalin putting down the plans and implementing it. Among the many actions of the collectivization program was the confiscation of farm land and the machinery and livestock that was on it (private property, NOT personal property). However there were some problems;

“Collectivization was not an orderly process following bureaucratic rules. It consisted of actions by the poor peasants, encouraged by the Party. The poor peasants were eager to expropriate the “kulaks,” but less eager to organize a cooperative economy. By 1930 the Party and already sent out cadres to stem and correct excesses… After having exercised restraint in 1930, the Party put on a drive again in 1932. As a result, in that year the kulak economy ceased to produce, and the new collective economy did not yet produce fully.”

Blumenfeld, Hans. Life Begins at 65. Montreal, Canada: Harvest House, c1987, p. 152

• “During the 1932 harvest season Soviet agriculture experienced a crisis. Natural disasters, especially plant diseases spread and intensified by wet weather in mid-1932, drastically reduced crop yields. OGPU reports, anecdotal as they are, indicate widespread peasant opposition to the kolkhoz system. These documents contain numerous reports of kolkhozniki, faced with starvation, mismanagement and abuse by kolkhoz officials and others, and desperate conditions: dying horses, idle tractors, infested crops, and incitement by itinerant people. Peasants’ responses varied: some applied to withdraw from their farms, some left for paid work outside, some worked sloppily, intentionally leaving grain on the fields while harvesting to glean later for themselves.”

Tauger, Mark. “Soviet Peasants and Collectivization, 1930-39: Resistance and Adaptation.” In Rural Adaptation in Russia by Stephen Wegren, Routledge, New York, NY, 2005, Chapter 3, p. 81.

• Some of the Kulaks, angered and resentful, rather than integrate into society as an average worker (who frankly lived in conditions 10x better than under Tsarist times), decided to take action.

They burnt crops and slaughtered livestock, those with machinery broke it if they could. In addition to their vandalism and arson they murdered government officials and peasants siding with them, there are even some (unconfirmed) accounts of them poisoning water supplies.

“Almost all the collective farms established in 1931 and 1932 were shockingly mismanaged. What else could be expected when every village in Russia had been the scene of bitter internal strife, when animals had been slaughtered or allowed to die through incompetence, and grain had been buried, and barns and houses burned? It has been estimated that livestock dropped by 50% during those tragic years and there were large areas, as I saw with my own eyes in the North Caucasus in 1933, where miles of weeds and desolation replaced the former grainfields…”

Duranty, Walter. Stalin & Co. New York: W. Sloane Associates, 1949, p. 77[10]

• During the thirties, the far-right, linked with the Hitlerites, had already fully exploited the propaganda theme of `deliberately provoked famine to exterminate the Ukrainian people’. But after the Second World War, this propaganda was `adjusted’ with the main goal of covering up the barbaric crimes committed by German and Ukrainian Nazis, to protect fascism and to mobilise Western forces against Communism.”

Martens, Ludo. Another View of Stalin. Antwerp, Belgium: EPO, Lange Pastoorstraat 25-27 2600, p. 113 (Pg 96 on the internet pdf) [11]

• “This destruction of the productive forces had, of course, disastrous consequences: in 1932, there was a great famine, caused in part by the sabotage and destruction done by the kulaks. But anti-Communists blame Stalin and the `forced collectivization’ for the deaths caused by the criminal actions of the kulaks.”

Martens, Ludo. Another View of Stalin. Antwerp, Belgium: EPO, Lange Pastoorstraat 25-27 2600, p. 79 [p. 66 on the pdf]

Our host speaks the truth about Socialism in their comments. It's a system, dependent on the quality of its leadership, which is wonderfully adept at controlling Capitalism as a tool in order to reach defined goals. Horror stories do not engage with reality.

Since you want me to make a summation of literally dozens and dozens of books, have some quotes instead:

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• "Recent evidence has indicated that part of the cause of the famine was an exceptionally low harvest in 1932, much lower than incorrect Soviet methods of calculation had suggested. The documents included here or published elsewhere do not yet support the claim that the famine was deliberately produced by confiscating the harvest, or that it was directed especially against the peasants of the Ukraine."

Koenker and Bachman, Eds. Revelations from the Russian Archives. Washington: Library of Congress, 1997, p. 401

• "In view of the importance of grain stocks to understanding the famine, we have searched Russian archives for evidence of Soviet planned and actual grain stocks in the early 1930s. Our main sources were the Politburo protocols, including the (“special files,” the highest secrecy level), and the papers of the agricultural collections committee Komzag, of the committee on commodity funds, and of Sovnarkom. The Sovnarkom records include telegrams and correspondence of Kuibyshev, who was head of Gosplan, head of Komzag and the committee on reserves, and one of the deputy chairs of Komzag at that time.

We have not obtained access to the Politburo working papers in the Presidential Archive, to the files of the committee on reserves or to the relevant files in military archives. But we have found enough information to be confident that this very a high figure for grain stocks is wrong and that Stalin did not have under his control huge amounts of grain, which could easily have been used to eliminate the famine."

Stalin, Grain Stocks and the Famine of 1932-1933 by R. W. Davies, M. B. Tauger, S.G. Wheatcroft.Slavic Review, Volume 54, Issue 3 (Autumn, 1995), pp. 642-657.

• The Political Bureau believes that shortage of seed grain in Ukraine is many times worse than what was described in comrade Kosior’s telegram; therefore, the Political Bureau recommends the Central Committee of the Communist party of Ukraine to take all measures within its reach to prevent the threat of failing to sow [field crops] in Ukraine.

Signed: Secretary of the Central Committee – J. STALIN

From the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation. Fond 3, Record Series 40, File 80, Page 58.

• It is a matter of some significance that Cardinal Innitzer’s allegations of famine-genocide were widely promoted throughout the 1930s, not only by Hitler’s chief propagandist Goebbels, but also by American Fascists as well.

It will be recalled that Hearst kicked off his famine campaign with a radio broadcast based mainly on material from Cardinal Innitzer’s “aid committee.” In Organized Anti-Semitism in America, the 1941 book exposing Nazi groups and activities in the pre-war United States, Donald Strong notes that American fascist leader Father Coughlin used Nazi propaganda material extensively. This included Nazi charges of “atrocities by Jew Communists” and verbatim portions of a Goebbels speech referring to Innitzer’s “appeal of July 1934, that millions of people were dying of hunger throughout the Soviet Union.”

Tottle, Douglas. Fraud, Famine, and Fascism. Toronto: Progress Books,1987, p. 49-51

• QUESTION: Is it true that during 1932-33 several million people were allowed to starve to death in the Ukraine and North Caucasus because they were politically hostile to the Soviets?

ANSWER: Not true. I visited several places in those regions during that period. There was a serious grain shortage in the 1932 harvest due chiefly to inefficiencies of the organizational period of the new large-scale mechanized farming among peasants unaccustomed to machines. To this was added sabotage by dispossessed kulaks, the leaving of the farms by 11 million workers who went to new industries, the cumulative effect of the world crisis in depressing the value of Soviet farm exports, and a drought in five basic grain regions in 1931.

The harvest of 1932 was better than that of 1931 but was not all gathered; on account of overoptimistic promises from rural districts, Moscow discovered the actual situation only in December when a considerable amount of grain was under snow.

Strong, Anna Louise. Searching Out the Soviets. New Republic: August 7, 1935, p. 356

Would you actually read any books I cite?

Lol, argument...

You don't need me as a prop in your fantasies of violence. Do carry on.

Things aren't facts just because you say they are. You're lost in fantasy and arguing emotionally. You're not an authority, though.

You may as well replace socialists with demons in that diatribe. You are so insistent at speaking for me and telling me what I believe because you've been indoctrinated into a cult that has prepared you with The One True Knowledge, or rather just a set of scripts to peg through holes.

You have far too small a sample size, and far too much of an emotional attachment to it, to understand reality or anyone's place in it.

Bad history. Junk in, junk out! You live in the most heavily indoctrinated population on the planet, kid.

You sure do know an awful lot, mister.

You just keep... Talking. I said I wasn't interested in your book so you try to make me anyway. You know nothing about what I believe but you're happy to tell me who my gods are. You're quite authoritarian in your speech patterns, always taking a position of authority built from virtue signaling towards rationalism and true understanding.

If you were capable of talking to a communist without telling them what they believe, you might learn something about your fellow man.

Let go, m8. You're not in control, here.

It's not sarcasm.

They're here right now!

I don't think I will.

...nah

When does the son of pain come out from his horse?

All of these things depend on physically manifest infrastructure, both social and technical. They can be disrupted and seized.

This is how the Bolsheviks created a new government in the space of a day:

1000 people. Specialists, dedicated, organized into groups of 10-20. Each group is given an objective: post office, train yard, power station, port, banks, bureaucratic centers, etc. Each group contains people who know the technical aspects of their specific targets and people who can defend those specialists. Each group casually visits the the vicinity of their target in plain clothes for a period of time numbering a few weeks before zero hour, in order to become "normal" in the minds of the local workers.

One morning, these groups show up and install themselves in positions of power. Look at them; they are the captains now.

No army to fight in the field. No warning. Suddenly there's just new management in charge. Everywhere.

From there on, you have the resources and clout to have an actual fighting chance. But it's now all or nothing. You will be accused of every atrocity and subjected to every atrocity. The goal has to be final.

Memes.