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The Shooter? Can you spot the disinformation? (i.imgur.com)

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[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 8 points

This is not a slap against trans people.

It is a slap against the false narrative being promoted.

The mainstream media promotes the false narrative that the killer of 18 children and one teacher is a Cis white male.

And yet, this collage is circulating the web which claims to show that the shooter was trans.

The shooter was indeed trans.

But not all the images in this collage are of the shooter.

Free speech demands more speech.

Americans need to stop being treated as (and acting like) children and discuss and debate things with each other.

Someone who was not happy with who they were went out and murdered 18 children, aged 7-9, including a teacher.

When something of this magnitude occurs that person’s entire existence needs to be examined: Family, culture, environment, influences, medical history, etc.

Nothing should be left off the table and everything should be discussed and debated.

I will not respect dismissal of this identity being a part of this person’s outlook on the world and pretend that such a thing is meaningless should it be inconvenient to another’s ideology, social or political narrative.

I don’t allow religious fanatics or race obsessed apologists to get away with that bullshit either.

Not will I tolerate accusations of my posting this information as being some form of an “attack” against the trans community.

That’s a bullshit copout and a mischaracterization of the subject matter.

My opinion is that there is nothing inherently sinful or wrong with a person being “trans.”

And I imagine that I’ll probably stand by this opinion to the end.

If I had to discuss something that I didn’t like about trans, such a discussion would probably be limited to my irritation at how some trans people interact with society.

It’s not the “trans,” it’s their baggage.

Well, that… And them expecting me to hold on to that baggage in the same manner in which a gentleman would hold a lady’s purse for her.

That’s not going to happen.

Narcissism, exhibitionism and irresponsibility are things which undermine the cause of most gays and lesbians.

It’s especially painful when committed by someone among their own.

The suppression of such discussions among gays and straights is detrimental to a healthy society.

[–] Irishwolfhound82 2 points

I agree about the need of an open discussion.I wish this information wasn't being suppressed in the media. It was a truly horrific act and I can't even begin to understand what the families of those victims are going through right now. God help them. I don't really know what to say. People are so easily triggered by things. I have noticed in the past few years the 'cis white male' label being used in a particularly negative context, both in the media and on film/TV shows. It always seemed a little forced. But this is horrific.

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 6 points

The current political hegemony is trying it’s damn best to keep people divided and to stoke the furnace of discontent and rage.

Each to their own base, and to their disgrace.

[–] Irishwolfhound82 1 points

I've been trying to follow a few voices who have broken free from the identity politics that 'they' are trying to box us all into. Theres not very many of them, but they are a few lights in thr dark. I'd like to think the numbers are growing, but it's hard to tell as YouTube keeps fudging the stats.

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 6 points

Well, the ones fanning the flames really don’t want straights and gays to talk to each other outside sketchy parameters where they can control the narrative for power and profit.

The LGBTQ bus is loaded to the roof with people who hate each other, some for good reasons.

I’ve pulled a few out the emergency door and we’ve had some great conversations.

I think we should dissect this collage and fire a few arrows into the thicket.

What do you say?

[–] Irishwolfhound82 2 points

I think we should grab the ones fanning the flames and chuck them in the middle of it, metaphorically speaking. Honestly, going out and having conversations with people in bars and clubs, trying to hash out opinions before people start spitting feathers and realising that we have far more in common than we do apart. I should have taken up musical theatre, the great melting pot, lol.
Where do i sign up for firing a few arrows? Or at least, suggest a few directions.
Please and thank you. 🙏

[–] Dilightful-Diviant 2 points

Make sure to prune the diseased and dead branches and throw them in as well.

[–] Irishwolfhound82 1 points

Maybe it's more of a hatchet job than a pruning exercise, maybe?
I was reminded of dave chapelles sketch on the lgbtq community. I think it was the reason his show was banned from Netflix. Can't we all laugh or make a joke at each other without triggering someone? And I'm not singling out any one group in particular either.

[–] OutLiving 1 points

Only the top left one was confirmed to be Ramos you moron, two of the other pics were of random trans women and one of the pics was just idiot on /pol/.
How did you fall for such easy bait?

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 1 points

No one “fell” for anything.

You have information to the contrary, prove it.

Read the title of the thread again.

It’s about DIS-information, shit for brains.

Step up or fuck off.

[–] OutLiving 2 points

Here Every tweet in this thread disproves all three images

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 3 points

Tweets are not authoritative sources.

And I’m not signing up to Twitter to read them.

Post links from the chans this came from or links to images to substantiate your claims.

Prove your point with data or web addys and sources searchable to all.

[–] OutLiving 3 points

Here
Here
And Here
I would like to add that you have provided no proof any of these photos are even connected in the first place so if you have some excuse to dismiss these images, you still have no proof these are the same people.
Also the shooter was not trans, there’s literally no proof of this anywhere

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 3 points

Indeed I do not, nor have I claimed to.

Again, you with more Twitter links.

Post links to screenshots of them or links outside the Twitterverse.

And in the future, don’t burst in here like a reactionary idiot.

The purpose of this thread is to provide substantiation and conversation, not to provide a forum for white knights to come to the rescue of their favorite queens.

Twitter is full to the brim with liars and reactionaries who’ll take a fall for a cause.

Post your “proofs” as links outside that self-sustaining organism built and bred for societal outcasts and autists.

Think time stamped prior posts if you claim that the chipper one at bottom left is not who the DIS-informational collage misrepresents them as.

Or, perhaps a Reddit link to a living person disputing it as our friend, the Orangy Unicorn has done.

[–] OutLiving 1 points

Here
Here
Here
They are all images. I fucked up the linking in the last comment. Also while I did misunderstood your initial claims on the pictures, your claim in your first comment that the shooter was “indeed Trans” is false. There’s literally zero proof that Ramos was even a cross dresser let alone transgender. Also even if Ramos was transgender why would the rest of the LGBT community need to care? Actions of a singular individual doesn’t reflect the whole group
If Ramos was transgender it’s as relevant as to what shoes Ramos was wearing, I don’t see why there’s need to be a “discussion” as you imply in your first comment

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 3 points

Being trans is NOT irrelevant.

Even what style of clothes a murderer wears is important to an investigator, especially the shoes as they can denote purpose or method.

[–] OutLiving 2 points

Ok I guess within a official criminal investigation being trans could be a potential clue, but what you’re talking about is a civil discussion in society, if all you know about the shooter is that the shooter is trans and that’s it, nothing about the motive or anything, what’s the discussion to be had that doesn’t involve jumping into conclusions about the shooter’s motives?

[–] Firstladytree 1 points

When it comes to investigating mass shooters, a huge red flag is domestic violence. A number of high-profile shootings were committed by alleged perpetrators of domestic violence:

An overwhelming majority of men who have committed mass shootings have a history of domestic violence - and more to the point - they have a history of choking their significant other.

Report: Choking, strangulation victims 750% more likely to be killed by offender

But beyond mass murders, domestic violence remains a serious public health concern. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than a quarter of women in the U.S. have been victims of severe physical violence at the hands of an intimate partner. And one woman in the U.S. will die every 16 hours as a result of domestic violence.

So while the conversations about gun laws, school safety and mental health continue, let’s not forget to include domestic violence as part of the public discussion. Taking domestic violence more seriously may help us catch the warning signs before another school is shot up or a woman and her family are killed in their home.

THE DISTURBING CONNECTION BETWEEN MASS SHOOTINGS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE

Men with a history of domestic violence are not only a danger to their partner, they are ticking time bombs in our communities. This needs to be talked about more.

What Mass Shooters Tend to Have in Common: Domestic Violence Records

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 3 points

I already know about Stabrina.

She looks nothing like Ramos.

Good job.

[–] Dilightful-Diviant 2 points

As I've heard from a Unicorn the third is a fake.

Wondering about who included it, and why.

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 4 points

I would assume that it is because the propaganda pendulum swings both ways.

[–] Dilightful-Diviant 2 points

My guess is it helps corrupt truth. A truth with a lie is easily dismissed by someone uninterested.

[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 2 points

Orange stepped up on the thread where I neglected to include the question mark.

But someone claiming it alone is not enough.

Links to time stamped posts are what would support such claims.

This is an exercise in proving disinformation.

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[–] reptiliandude Reptilian 1 points

Alright.

So, we’ve written off two of the images as disinformation (not misinformation).

What about the dark brooding one which most closely resembles Ramos?

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