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Why Did Senate Democrats Refuse to Protect Infants? (yahoo.com)
submitted 2019-02-28 by garbotalk
[–] garbotalk 1 points 2019-02-28
A moral catastrophe unfolded on the floor of the U.S. Senate on Monday. Forty-four Democratic senators voted against legislation that would have required doctors to give the same care to infants who survive abortion procedures that they would give to any other infant. One after another, Democratic senators took to the floor to smear the bill as an attack on women’s health care, a baseless criticism that they failed to substantiate. In the process, they revealed their belief that allowing unwanted infants to perish after birth constitutes a form of women’s health care. Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) reintroduced his Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act in direct response to Virginia governor Ralph Northam’s endorsement of permitting mothers and doctors to let infants die of neglect. “The infant would be delivered,” Northam said, explaining a hypothetical case in which a woman in labor wanted an abortion. “The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.” This “discussion” is what Democrats voted on Monday to preserve — a discussion not about health-care options for women but about whether or not to extend health care of any kind to newborn infants. With their votes and their speeches, 44 U.S. senators embraced Ralph Northam’s position, which, despite attempting to clarify, he has never retracted. “I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we’re okay with infanticide,” Sasse said at the start of floor debate on Monday. “This language is blunt. I recognize that. It is too blunt for many people in this body. But frankly, that is what we’re talking about here today. Infanticide is what [the bill] is actually about.” Though Sasse’s bill failed to pass, it succeeded in forcing Democrats to take a stance on infanticide, and though they refused to do so explicitly, the reality of their disgraceful position was abundantly clear. During floor debate, Senator Tina Smith (D., Minn.) said that the bill “puts Congress in the middle of the important medical decisions that patients and doctors should make together without political interference.” Democratic senator Mazie Hirono of Hawaii said it represents the idea that “the moral judgment of right-wing politicians in Washington, D.C., should supersede a medical professional’s judgment and a woman’s decision.” “It makes no sense for Washington politicians who know nothing about these individual circumstances to say they know better than the doctors, patients, the family,” said Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.). “The bill is solely meant to intimidate doctors and restrict patients’ access to care and has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with protecting children.” “This is how our medical system is supposed to work,” Smith added later in her remarks. “Physicians and patients making decisions together based on patients’ individual needs.” Democratic senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois labeled the bill an effort to “bully doctors out of giving reproductive care.” And Jeanne Shaheen (D., N.H.) said the legislation “would interfere with the doctor–patient relationship and impose new obstacles to a woman’s constitutionally protected right to make her own decisions about her reproductive health.” “Conservative politicians should not be telling doctors how they should care for their patients,” Hirono said. “Instead, women, in consultation with their families and doctors, are in the best position to determine their best course of care.” All of these statements take as their premise a fundamental lie about the legislation. No part of the born-alive bill limits abortion access or regulates abortion methods in any way. It involves abortions only to the extent that the infants in question survived them. Nor does the bill mandate any particular kind of care for these infants; it merely requires that these nearly aborted newborns be afforded “the same degree” of care that “any other child born alive at the same gestational age” would receive. But these statements from Democrats are more than mere falsehoods. They expose a sinister reality: There is no daylight between their argument and that of Ralph Northam. They have admitted that they believe that denying medical care to infants can constitute legitimate women’s health care, classified under the untouchable umbrella of “reproductive rights.” That was the ultimate triumph of the attempt to pass the born-alive bill. Though Democrats managed to block the legislation, it forced the moral equivocators of the Democratic party to step out from behind their smokescreens. It demanded that they put their name to a vote permitting doctors to turn a blind eye to dying babies. It compelled them to defend Ralph Northam’s indefensible comments. This — and not because it would impede women’s “reproductive rights” — is why Democrats were so afraid of Ben Sasse’s bill. They knew that nothing in the text restricts access to abortion. But they knew, too, that it would expose them. To support the bill would betray a logical and philosophical inconsistency — Democrats would affirm the dignity and rights of a newborn infant, even as they dehumanize that same life, at the same stage of development, inside its mother’s womb. To oppose the bill would reveal the ghastly, consistent principle of the abortion-rights movement — that a child’s rights depend not on her size or location, but on whether she is wanted by her mother. The Democrats chose consistency, and consistency means infanticide.
A moral catastrophe unfolded on the floor of the U.S. Senate on Monday. Forty-four Democratic senators voted against legislation that would have required doctors to give the same care to infants who survive abortion procedures that they would give to any other infant.
One after another, Democratic senators took to the floor to smear the bill as an attack on women’s health care, a baseless criticism that they failed to substantiate. In the process, they revealed their belief that allowing unwanted infants to perish after birth constitutes a form of women’s health care.
Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) reintroduced his Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act in direct response to Virginia governor Ralph Northam’s endorsement of permitting mothers and doctors to let infants die of neglect. “The infant would be delivered,” Northam said, explaining a hypothetical case in which a woman in labor wanted an abortion. “The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
This “discussion” is what Democrats voted on Monday to preserve — a discussion not about health-care options for women but about whether or not to extend health care of any kind to newborn infants. With their votes and their speeches, 44 U.S. senators embraced Ralph Northam’s position, which, despite attempting to clarify, he has never retracted. “I want to ask each and every one of my colleagues whether or not we’re okay with infanticide,” Sasse said at the start of floor debate on Monday. “This language is blunt. I recognize that. It is too blunt for many people in this body. But frankly, that is what we’re talking about here today. Infanticide is what [the bill] is actually about.”
Though Sasse’s bill failed to pass, it succeeded in forcing Democrats to take a stance on infanticide, and though they refused to do so explicitly, the reality of their disgraceful position was abundantly clear.
During floor debate, Senator Tina Smith (D., Minn.) said that the bill “puts Congress in the middle of the important medical decisions that patients and doctors should make together without political interference.” Democratic senator Mazie Hirono of Hawaii said it represents the idea that “the moral judgment of right-wing politicians in Washington, D.C., should supersede a medical professional’s judgment and a woman’s decision.” “It makes no sense for Washington politicians who know nothing about these individual circumstances to say they know better than the doctors, patients, the family,” said Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.). “The bill is solely meant to intimidate doctors and restrict patients’ access to care and has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with protecting children.”
“This is how our medical system is supposed to work,” Smith added later in her remarks. “Physicians and patients making decisions together based on patients’ individual needs.” Democratic senator Tammy Duckworth of Illinois labeled the bill an effort to “bully doctors out of giving reproductive care.” And Jeanne Shaheen (D., N.H.) said the legislation “would interfere with the doctor–patient relationship and impose new obstacles to a woman’s constitutionally protected right to make her own decisions about her reproductive health.”
“Conservative politicians should not be telling doctors how they should care for their patients,” Hirono said. “Instead, women, in consultation with their families and doctors, are in the best position to determine their best course of care.”
All of these statements take as their premise a fundamental lie about the legislation. No part of the born-alive bill limits abortion access or regulates abortion methods in any way. It involves abortions only to the extent that the infants in question survived them. Nor does the bill mandate any particular kind of care for these infants; it merely requires that these nearly aborted newborns be afforded “the same degree” of care that “any other child born alive at the same gestational age” would receive.
But these statements from Democrats are more than mere falsehoods. They expose a sinister reality: There is no daylight between their argument and that of Ralph Northam. They have admitted that they believe that denying medical care to infants can constitute legitimate women’s health care, classified under the untouchable umbrella of “reproductive rights.” That was the ultimate triumph of the attempt to pass the born-alive bill. Though Democrats managed to block the legislation, it forced the moral equivocators of the Democratic party to step out from behind their smokescreens. It demanded that they put their name to a vote permitting doctors to turn a blind eye to dying babies. It compelled them to defend Ralph Northam’s indefensible comments.
This — and not because it would impede women’s “reproductive rights” — is why Democrats were so afraid of Ben Sasse’s bill. They knew that nothing in the text restricts access to abortion. But they knew, too, that it would expose them.
To support the bill would betray a logical and philosophical inconsistency — Democrats would affirm the dignity and rights of a newborn infant, even as they dehumanize that same life, at the same stage of development, inside its mother’s womb. To oppose the bill would reveal the ghastly, consistent principle of the abortion-rights movement — that a child’s rights depend not on her size or location, but on whether she is wanted by her mother.
The Democrats chose consistency, and consistency means infanticide.
I can't in my wildest dreams imagine a scenario in which a child is delivered alive and then murdered by a physician, either directly or indirectly.
How is that okay?
Reproductive rights must end when a child is born. If not, then parents and doctors are given a pass for murder.
In ancient days, unwanted new borns were abandoned on the steps outside a home, so if anyone else wanted the child, they could take him or her. As barbaric as that sounds, it was a step up from drowning or striking a newborn to death. At least the baby had a chance at life.
Yet here today, reasonable people are acting unreasonably. What purpose does it serve to kill a full term infant, even if unwanted, when adoptive families are eagerly waiting in the wings? Money.
A dead newborn is worth $500,000 when sold for body parts. That is the hidden truth behind these cowardly Senators locking step together to protect sociopathic doctors and parents who choose this path. It is unconscionable that we allow this to go on. We must pass legislation against the murder of newborns now, and call out and vote against those who are against it.
[–] vikrual 1 points 2019-02-28
$$$
[–] lelekfalo 1 points 2019-02-28
"Reproductive Rights" should end at that point where one is taking the life of a living human being - birth or no birth.
I'm not saying early term abortions should be entirely outlawed, but I'm sick of people skirting around the reality of the situation: taking a life is taking a life. Period. It results in the abrupt end to the existence of a living organism.
Yes, agreed. But this bill didn't go there. It ONLY talked about babies born alive who deserve to continue to live, not get murdered or abandoned with no food, water or warmth.
If we can't all agree about THAT, then who are we?
It's that logical and philosophical inconsistency you mentioned, justified away by "Yeah, but that's different..."
Lord help us from becoming like the Kayeen.
[–] lelekfalo 1 points 2019-03-01
Oh, but look at all they've done for us! Look at the excellent quality of life in heavily Kayeen-influenced parts if the world! They're all about healthy living and caring for the environment! Plus, it's so much easier to let them "take care" of us all, and not have to do any of the thinking for ourselves. For that stellar treatment, what's one fetus or body part every now and then?! /s
Lord help us, indeed.
[–] ACuriousHumanBeing 1 points 2019-03-01
The idea of just cutting living parts off of living babies for use of science and money is really disturbing isn't it?
Don't even get me started on that one...
That is a problem I see in these abortion debates. Its something that taints the whole things. Woman who don't take responsibility for what they are doing.
Next to this issue, if you are going to say or do something, you need to take responsibility and honesty for the subject, you need to give it respect.
They can't even admit to what they're doing. They refuse to respect it. It's such a dishonor to us, and a dishonor to themselves.
[–] lelekfalo 0 points 2019-03-01
Exactly. Admitting the fact that abortion is, in fact, taking a life, would force them to feel guilt and remorse for their actions. It's much easier to just pretend a fetus only qualifies as a life when you actually want it.
It's cowardice.
And, again, I am not saying that there aren't times that warrant spilled blood... just that one must be willing to answer for the blood they spilled.
Indeed
If you are taking such an action, you need to know what you are doing, accept it, and take it on.
Ironically its freeing in a sense. Since you don't have to be weighed or bad karma by guilt.
We're too scared of being uncomfortable acknowledging that we spilled blood. We refuse to acknowledge it, and as a result fail to give the process justice.
Sometimes we take remorseful actions. What's worse though is never acknowledging they are remorseful in the first place. People who refuse to see their flaws crack and fall apart.
[–] exicleus 1 points 2019-03-01
I've seen a lot of real fucked up things with our humanity.
This... is fucking up.
These are the masks of cowardly traitors. They sell to the masses a right to protect your selfishness and the preservation of freedom to do what you want without consequence. What you exchange is forfeiture of the real you on the inside and another life, yet the real end cause here is for them to profit from YOUR choice of death. They only give you the tools and the quick way out. They will not tell you of these profits. If you knew you would burn them all at the stakes. It is a masqueraded deal that the signee of their own blood does not even know.
This truth burns my inner fire to no end.
Even worse. In ancient Rome they were thrown into literal piles of shit, and often taken up into slavery.
Sexual slavery to be specific, or anything kind of slavery really.
[–] PrinceWizdom 1 points 2019-03-10
If that makes you upset read through this
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc
The number of crimes that the federal government has committed on impoverished communities is uncountable. It will truly make your blood boil and wonder why people don't rise up and behead them.
He ways of 'Kings' never changes. As Thucydides once said...
The powerful do what they want. The weak suffer as they must. "Laws for thee but not for me"
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