Ha, your singular ability to subtly miss the point in your answer will become famous for ages ! \^\^

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I didn't doubt you about being able to present the core concept of your own theology or cosmogony, even under a fog of war, without talking straight to stay in the permited line, I will miss this (but thank you anyway for this brief reminder of the earth past).

Being able to explore the boudaries, the interface of our reality is what is permiting us to know ourselves and our reality, and by doing so being better.

And It would been so enrichising to hear you about the relation your owns had with the mathematica, your cosmogony and religion for example, not the part who crossed our world but puyrely your.

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I will not take shadow for the dog euphemism because dog are loyal and faithfull, even stray dogs... St Augustin was teaching/evangelising to animals so there is a precedent. \^\^

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The peace be upon you.

Lunar' :)

Hope it will be literaly in front of everyone this time...

By the way I still regret to not have heard you about your exo philosophy and religious ways, it must be a very interesting and enriching topic to discover your ways, the reality boundaries and to learn about us too...

I wish you good !

It is why I thought about astral means or more generaly speaking a spirit/animus led way because it is for now the only function of our possibility which transcend space/time.

Due to the fractal nature of the universe (in short) you are always conected to everything whis is/was/will be, forever; so you "just" have to train you to bypass your worldy/materialistic-brain and connect to the proper energy to make it resonnate.

You also have to know at which door to knock or more probably how to activate the beacon.

If you can see it here you may have to energise it (by pulsating a very low brain wave ? in a certain pattern ?), but we should learn more of it first (because as you more or less said: don't trust anyone in a matter of life and death...).

We have the coordinates from the WOW signal so we could try some group sessions at predetermined times (agreed before here on this "forum") where we could train ourselves to go at the coordinates by our personnal inclinations (being more an astral traveler or DMT user or anything one can be compeled to do to go there)

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The hardware/tech way always seemed to be a paliative for a lack of mastering of our sentient functions (for me at least), I have envisionned some tech (based on pre 1920 technology/science) which unitite the mind and the harware in a more biological construct (not an externalisation of our functions like the present day tech but more of an amplification/resonnance way of our mind/energy complex). But that's another topic...

Hello,

Good insights.

We should use some simple function to communicate, think about the "WOW" signal: it is basicaly a long strong pulse of the hydrogen frequency.

So I presume it is better to keep it simple, just plain code, no cypher, no abstraction level and such.

To propagate the Fibonaci sequence within a frequency without "cyphering" you have on/off pulse (with a "start" "stop" bit):

. by as many pusles needed for each number (problem: like for morse code to transmit a heavy message it is tedious... except if you have a burst mode but you better hope the thread was not missed !).

. by duration of the pusles by bit equivalent, i.e: 1 (number one) = 1 pulse, 2 = 2 pulses and such.

For duration (and consequently energy comsuption of the emiter) You can factorise the pulses but here we are in the same case as in the morse burst mode.

. by modulating the beam spatialy (plain ON, again with start & stop bit) to "draw in coordinates or Fibonaci sequence within a confined geometry/space.

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It is the same by particle entanglement.

Due to the various objects and gas in space you cannot "beam" EM or laser/maser (and such) to mudulate by EM or even chemicaly an hydrogen atom from here too far away, or at least for a very short window of time.

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I continue to think the better way is by mind connection/astral travel (may be with DMT), may be with extensive training to visualise the hydrogen atom like a mandala, and in this case you are not constrained by 1 dimensional link as in th morse code (plain ON/OFF) you can stream the Fibonaci sequence and its developments "visualy" or even mathematicaly and more importantly you are not constrained by required giganteum power consumption to beam even in a burst mode (damn' inverse square law...).

You only need an adress to knock at the door...

why ? Am I wrong usualy ? \^\^

... beside the english faults.

it is easier to get 1000 men by emotion than to win one by reason...

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10 cents a ton, usage to be found... thanks Rockfeller & Cie via Bernays PR.

Latter it was used to (mind-)control the interns in POW nazi's camps because it regulates you in not having any peak of emotion, good when you want to control a crowd on a year long basis. (c.f: Dupont's devil kitchen).

To be found in the three source 90% of (occidental) humans take each day: water, salt and toothpast, then supplemented some more by lesser sources.

Look at a book called: "silent weapons for quiet war".

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Beside that I am curious about a anomaly: some peoples have no brain (!), generally less than 10 or 5% of mass.

It is not strict rewiring or recombination of the brain and the peoples affected doesn't even know their (strange) condition, no impairement (one has 101 IQ and found it by accident when a MRI was done past a car accident).

So the classical conception of the brain as the motor/sensory seat and all is to be reconsidered.

It could be that: the brain is an antenna and connected to frequencies and Noosphere (to keep it simple).

We found the reality not by himself but by navigating its edges, the interferences zone at the periphery; so a such condition (without brain) is a perfect case to found the edges of some human's psyche & biology.

I don't know if you have seen my recent post at the begining but I adress this.

Practicing and theorising is always a step toward generalisation but it is a quasi dead end if you wait for pure com' medium, in this regards I have better hope with Q-biology.

I stress how, here,it is nearly unrelated to communication at all. It is all about robust peer network and cypher.

For a communication topic (and relatively related to the beacon), one scientist was working on it (refered in some confidential army doc I have posted recently) but most of the field think his aim is backward and non promising (or at least officialy).

Some teams (asians ones in particular) work on the com' part but is quite one shot project about one particular aspect (maintenance, duration, stabilisation, distance, etc...); no holistic approach of communication at my (limited) knowledge.

Don't forget the fact their goal is creating a securised network/cryptographic set & protocol not pure communication (i.e a quantum "phone").

I have great hope toward quatum biology (ex Mae-Wan Ho work and even certain Penrose stuff) because they realise at the biological level how we are "linked" in the universe by entanglement, like a fractal.

So understanding this fractal nature (and then mastering it) open better possibilities for the non-etatic, non-commercial developments.

Even if a quidam can set up a (crude) particle entanglement apparatus in its basement, chances are big money will be needed toward this specific goal (extreme cooling, sending particle, good signal to noise ratio & such require an advanced setup for real practicality) and now there are very few works on the communication aspect purely, it is always only a componment of a securised system (safe links and non breakable cypher for financial data com' mostly...).

Few are working on the pure com part and they are not the ones financialy founded and academicaly recognised (bear in mind this stuff is still controversial... like the black hole \^\^).

Hello,

It is more about a securised network than pure communication. They work on the toughness of different sharing protocols for encryption key.

please don't answer all at the same time ! \^\^

I have trouble understanding how no one would want to work really toward the goal ?

It is the goal and publicly stated ... Garbo' ? someone ?

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The concsciousness.

You have to seek it... And like with all mind programming it has to be positively formulated and deeply ingrained to be your natural subconscious thought, your profond will.

Thinking alone is not sufficient, it has to be your natural i.e.: "programmed" in your subconscious via meditation and focus or self hypnosis or straight mind programmation or even simply by true faith (if you are "pure" enough with a clean mental lanscape). the ritual and setup is very important too.

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In some cases it is relative to past traumas experienced by one person, very often it is an alchemy of memories + mental landscape + exterior aspects (ritual, setup, societal norms & culture, etc...) + thought and the deeply non-normal/trancendantal nature of the experience which trigger the illumination/ emergence of the mystic experience... You nearly cannot write a perfect-for-all recipe for illumination, it has to be crafted for each person/situation. And anyway it is never guaranted !

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Peoples are living in different levels of presence to their reality/consciousness, some live deeply within the culture and its normative aspects and must/can require an exotic setup (like going in the jungle or any other exotic places to find a shaman to guide them) while others don't need the cultural background and then you can work with Jungian archetypes or something like this.

Sometimes certain persons have their mental landscape (consciously or not) parasited by a past (usualy bad or very bad) experience in their life and there you need to utilise that to heal and transcend them... And some are religious types who already belong to a credo and then it can be harder sometimes, ironicaly.

It's as diverse as mankind. It really depend on the person who wish to do this experience and also depending to the one who guide (the so called "shaman" for a lack of a proper term).

But in any case it has to be from and to the consciousness.

Yep', very valuable info's there.

Having Linux is enough to be automaticaly targeted, cross infection for air gapped PC (= PC non connected to the network, via USB sticks or if necessary other means), various means of infection and control, IME (Intel Management Engine (and the like, nested on ALL motherboards of all PCs since 2005 !) having a hardware based OS (like a BIOS) functionning even when the PC is powered off and able to scan memory supports and send your infos via network even when PC is OFF... you have to cut the cord to disable that...

a recent study has shown how only 3 anonymous transactions on the net is sufficient to identify the person who bought the items !!!

You can also be identified and documented even if you have not Facebook or nearly no footprints on the net if some friends of you have some...

Add many many nasty things and you are not safe in anyway to be short.

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one safe method for com: old school one time pad (not the timed software one for the most part).

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Beside that I would like to repost this here in this new thread to have a answer:

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I would ask Garbotalk about some concrete action to be realised by us here to forward the quest to answer the beacon. Lately I've shared the find of a scientific registered in army documents (and his personnal contact), who is working on communication via particles entanglement, so if you have not already proceeded yourself we could/should work on a clean contact letter formulating the goal and the know means to forward him.

We need to assemble an coherent letter presenting if not evidences at least enough presomptions of the beacon, its history/background and means to ring it. I personnaly think it is too much to explain for what purpose in our current grasp of intents (and the ael kayeen war on mankind and such things), we should focus on basic physic and few historical insights (Gobekli Tepeli clues from RD and such who are not mainstream or widely know now as a kind of proof or at least enough to stimulate his curiosity...).

If we try to communicate too much informations at first we are sure to pass for illuminated crackpots... you must imagine how for a newcomer the pill must be hard to swallow.

And in the same vein, instead of posting lone articles like this one we could organise some group session to work toward the goal for real, like a session with spice in a coordonated way to learn and progress on the cosmic chat-rooms capability of the mind. We could establish a protocol and a timed session and try to connect...

Many here have spoken about their experience of spice and few seems to be experienced.

We could setup a timing and organisation in a sufficiently private way (a locked, non searchable thread on invitation only by you for example, or even a dedicated site/chat/exchange-com' software) ?

If the mind possess the capability to "speak via particles entanglement" we should try to work for real toward it and not just wait for someone or something to do the job for us.

Anyway, thank you for your dedication. :)

Hello,

Newton wrote an enormous corpus of texts, of which a number are about alchemy, but like all pre-XXe century's books it is hard to come by, fac simile or even in extenso.

Many works written between 1700 and 1900 are too hard to find or too costly to be able to going back at the source of knolwedge before the great dark ages of our modern times, i.e: suppression of many notions (like the ether) which are leading us to the present quagmire of science (example: gravity, dark matter/dark energy and such...).

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Beside that I would ask you Garbo' about some concrete action to be realised by us here to forward the quest to answer the beacon. Lately I've shared the find of a scientific registered in army documents (and his personnal contact), who is working on communication via particles entanglement, so if you have not already proceeded yourself we could/should work on a clean contact letter formulating the goal and the know means to forward him.

We need to assemble an coherent letter presenting if not evidences at least enough presomptions of the beacon, its history/background and means to ring it. I personnaly think it is too much to explain for what purpose in our current grasp of intents (and the ael kayeen war on mankind and such things), we should focus on basic physic and few historical insights (Gobekli Tepeli clues for RD and such who are not mainstream or widely know now as a kind of proof or at least enough to stimulate his curiosity...).

If we try to communicate too much informations at first we are sure to pass for illuminated crackpots...

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And in the same vein, instead of posting lone articles like this one we could organise some group session to work toward the goal for real, like a session with spice in a coordonated way to learn and progress on the cosmic chat-rooms capability of the mind. We could establish a protocol and a timed session and try to connect... and in a sufficiently private way (a locked, non searchable thread on invitation only by you for example, or even a dedicated site/chat/exchange-com' software) ?

If the mind possess the capability to "speak via particles entanglement" we should try to work for real toward it and not just wait for someone or something to do the job for us.

Anyway, thank you for your dedication. :)

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I'm sorry but you cannot just tell someone it is enough to eat some spice and its done.

I've seen countless persons eating spice or T relatives and no one can be assured of the right experience by this alone. Nearly all aren't seekers, just basic person who want to have some fun + 90 % of the time.

An exception can always occur (one basic person eating spice then having a mystic experience of illumination/transcendance) but it is just that, one exception...

I cannot stress enough how it is dangerous for one to try the drowing/ oxygen deprivation way !

more than 1 munite and it's begin to be very dangerous, with possible neurological sequels.

It's dangerous. Feel free to search for a shaman instead or someone who can guide you; don't try this alone.

... And don't forget this is the short way only, not the only way.

Purify you, Meditate and follow the Good until you find your inner path and then patience & perserverance.

By itself it's not sufficient.

I imagine so...

But I cannot stress enough how it is dangerous for one to make this drowning in an uncontrolled way !

The brain began deteriorating in just few minutes by lack of oxygen. Even when you knnock out someone via strangulation it's very rapid to make someone feint (few seconds only if made correctly) and after one minute it's begin to be dangerous.

I cannot see how it's won't be "better" to make a proper setup and use some tryptamines (for example).

OK... so let's begin.

The text being long I will answer to each passage after citing your text:

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"it is a categorical FACT which humanity has forgotten. You moderns like to imagine that you know something because you heard mention of this here or that there, or read a book about this which expounded upon the postulations of this one or that one...

BUT YOU HAVE NO WRITTEN RECORDS REGARDING THE SUBSTANCE OF THESE RITUALS.

N. O. N. E.

That is because the baptisms which you speak of had their methods passed down via the oral tradition. In fact, even MOST of Greek thought was passed down via the oral tradition. That way it was actually learned. This was true especially of the Eleusinian Mysteries

I repeat... THAT WAY IT WAS ACTUALLY LEARNED."

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"A near death or fear of death experience "not necessary" you say?

How little you know.

The purpose of the Baptism was to create as close to a near-death experience as possible.

Ideally, the body would release it's psychoactive reserves.

It amazes me that you laid out a laundry list of things for which there are NO WRITTEN WORKS DESCRIBING how the rituals are to be observed.

And, you've never read any such things either.

Because the priests didn't write them down.

Because they were part of their mysteries.

So what you're talking about are the romanticized opinions of someone imagining that they've somehow made a connection to some deep profound meaning... and by that they sold a few books.

But I've news for you...

Back when these rituals were performed, there were no printing presses and no book stores.

And if you explained the process to a non-initiate and you were outed... your tongue was cut out of your mouth.

A similar ritual occurs oftentimes in this modern world but is medically induced and sustained by those who long to be gods among men."

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While I generally agree with you in regard of the modern and its relation to the long forgotten source of knowledge, you seems prompt to dismiss the esoteric reading of certain textes which embodies some pearls for the one who have already saw the light, and also the spiritual and the esoteric more generally, but due to the fractal nature and relativity of time (to put it very simply) you/we have many ways to know and experiment things, to acquiere wisdom and experience.

And due to the functionning of the body and the mind you can program experience unto other with a minimum of work and a proper setting, it's one of the function of a ritual (beside its inner power for being a "symbol" of something conjured, sharing the same proprieties). So I repeat, to all know intents it's non essential to make someone have a near death experience if you can trick him to believe it really.

And relatively to the fact thoses secet rituals were... secret, there are more than one way to dive in the past, to see the light and experience it.

We are no more in secret age of misteries,the time of death judgment upon the one who disclose the trade is quasi no more, now each things are here to be found and be revealed for the seeker.

I don't like sharing very personnal information on a public space but I can guaranty you there are some psychopomps alive and well, some who guide souls of others in the underground world of death and life to help himself and other to find the life and the light... call them shaman or as you want, the trade is still the same (without the cultural aspect relative to this day and age if you don't mind or need it, but anyway the time is relative and you can explore all its dimensions to learn).

The essence and the mind are still the same and so are the trade to help others to find their illumination and be born again.

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"The baptism of the ancients had nothing to do with "washing away one sins" as much as it was a ritual which imitated a reversal of the birth experience.

In other words, you were "killed" and then sent back up the water whose breakage announced your entrance to the world.

The logic behind this was that this way one could make a connection with their ANCESTORS, and if lucky, perhaps even an low-level divine emissary of a God too busy to bother with the trifling of human affairs."

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Being the core of your teaching here I think you should develop it more, it would be very appreciated.

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And to close I would like to mntion and answer this:

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" You have in your pockets a little super-computer incorporating a cell phone and with it can gain access to most of the world's knowledge and unlike those humans from the 1800's you don't even remember your multiplication tables.

What's even more foolish is that so many of you will squint dismissively and say that it is "Because you don't NEED to."

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Having childs (more than 16 and 17 of age) I can only aquiesce... It's for me a great problem to come in the near future because man has evolved for millenia on a upper curve, having to remember and carry all times his knowledge, its "humanities", but now if the power go down we will have an army of know nothing - remember nothing...

The material at our dispoal is based on many level of abstraction and now, no one can make what is needed by himself (how many can make an arethmetic logic unit ? short of a processor...), so having externalised our minds is very detrimential and the word is very low.

Beside that our tech has evolveld infinetly more than our social aspect, creating a dichotomy again very detrimential. So I can only agree and make my child learn the old way as much as possible.

If possible I would like to limit myself to 20 th century tech and then began to go on an another path technologicaly, one who associate the mind, the nature and some technology.

Anyway thank you for your insight.

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Then why don't use processed DMT or some other tryptamines aviable (and some were aviable to them in this part of the world) to desactivate the chip instead of going to a dangerous route of drowning someone ?

Hello,

Interesting idea, but as the water batpism is associated with a ritual: cleaning via the universal solvent and such (like from egyptian hermetism), associated with the intrinsic power of a symbol and deep seeding of the mind via subsoncsious programation (a.k.a. a ritual), the practice of doing a real dangerous practice is often put aside in favor of a symbolised one, which is quasi similar to the mind if operated properly.

There are examples of such things like subterranean initiation both in ancient Egypt (see the Egyptian Book of the dead... and its usage of water in a somewhat close way of the Christian's baptism) and in meso america (for example, because they are the most studied, but you can also find it in ancient Greece mysteries, Siberian shamanic grotto/cave initiation and such), where peoples are going in a complex ritual often in dark underground places with sometimes complex setup associated with psychedelics to make them really believes of their death to ignite the illumination of their soul and be "born again" to the life as a better one.

So it's not necessary to do a life threatening experience to induce the brain in thinking/experiencing of its death, so I tend to think in such case a better subsitute is prefered. But anyway we should find trace of such practices and in my (limited) knowledge there is none in the primitive christians sects (Gnostic and such). Even in the bible (N.T.) there is no metaphore or clue about a such specific ritual beside the bathing in the baptim.

Some clues will be very welcomed.

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When you want drinking water you want to have a clean water, i.e. you don't want to add a metal catalyst or even nano-tubes of carbon.

Osmose is not a really good solution because you lost half the water and you have to stock many, many filters to be operationnal on a long time (and the water is dead...absolutely clean H2o but but no minerals and such, not a good drinking water).

The good procedure could be UV sterilisation, some reusbale ceramic filters (the ones you can heat to clean) and a distillation appartus (which is not complicated to operate).

You should stock you water in a opaque storage with a movement in the water (no still water).

Hi,

Just old school UV sterilisation, sorry.

You can easily find a tube of UV (wavelenght 253.nm) dedicated to sterilise the water for cheap.

It's a UV tube inside another transparent tube with 2 opennings, one entry for the flowing water and one exit. Like this:

UV sterilizer

It's just few minutes to sterilise the water. You can also find a "floatting" version, you just make it float on a barrel and it will sterilise your water (but still water is not recomended anyway, it's better to stir it).

HI, For my fellow europeans I can vouch for a brand of virucid/bactericid/fungicid (aviable in spray or bottle 1or 5L), it is the "Anios" brand, like Steranios.

You have different versions for different usages, each named with anios, like "Steranios".

It's the common disinfectant in lab and hostpital, you have one for surface, one for the hand/derm', one for the cleaning of scalpels, etc...

You cannot find a better one.

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Could it be possible to have some insight about the problems to come please ? Thank you anyway.

edit: if only it's could be the Joshua light show !

Hi,

If you like look for "cat whiskers radio" (a.k.a. radio crystal detector).

Esay to build, like WW2 ghetto style.

Look also for Tx (transmission) because it's reception only. In case of (systemic) emergencies it will be more than useful.

Hi, I can answer for the last question:

Some corp' have hoarded the strains and began to copyright them or their genetics. It's at least a commercial scheme: the traditional varieties are not registered in the cmmercial base and as such cannot be/will not be selled.

In France we have the same probelm but for the vegetables: all the "ancient" and traditionnal varieties are not registered but a law had passed which oblige a variety to be registered to be selled, by consequence only the lab seed can be brought officialy and even free exchange of traditionnal seeds begin to be enforced !

To go back at the weed: I heard about two principal companies hoarding the strains and their genetics and at least one is heavily involved with big pharma and alphabet agencies (the owner is pretty dubious to say the least). I don't remember names because I read about iut many years ago but it shouldn't be difficult to find...

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And yes, you can alter an organism via another one and some bio warfare is designed to do just that especially.

Hi !

Look what I've found (number 25):

https://fas.org/irp/dia/aatip-list.pdf

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with his personnal website link:

https://faculty.washington.edu/jcramer/

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edit: It could be wise to carefully carve a question/text to send him, i.e: definite/state clearly the goal and the means knowed,like relation to the hydrogen band, directivty and power, direction in space and such, with a little formal background sufficient to describe but no too much (to discredite) for a first one...

ps: I didn't know where to post this so I drop it here, sorry.

ha ha ha, I will not dare pretending to know and define what consciousness is ! \^\^

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I can just propose what I feel about it:

For me the consciousness is the god part of/in us, the "animus" which is life animating all things, being one and multiple due to its fractal nature.

I belive each things of each reign, i.e: mineral/animal/human (and other beings)/god is only diffrentiated by its composition: material/sipit (animus) in various quantity. From the "lower" reign where matter is superior in quantity to the spirit, to "higher" reign like human (and even more after) where matter is equal or less than spirit (animus). I must add to this the fact there is an infinite variation in each reign at each time.

Each thing being made of spirit/consciousness and consciousness being One, each being can be lived/feeled/shared by all the others (at "different" times, but time being relative to the consciousness I will forget it for now to not muddy more than necessary...).

Due to its fractal nature it's imply some things:

1): the gnostic nature of the life/God the One (in absolute but there is in infinite variations, conditions and levels for the realisation/illumination...).

2): you can know and experience all forms and times of being (again with conditions/prerequisites), = you are not "linked" to all what exists, you are all what exist.

3): instantaneity of all and/of various times.

4): a certain movement impulsed to life, the will of the great God...

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It's should be sufficient to make you envision what I try to convene. But if RD is feeling to enlight us about consciousness we will be fortunate (wink, wink') :)

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Hi,

I think the case is more about consciousness than mathematics. As you might know, we have only discovered the Mathematic and not created it, it's a kind of natural form if you want. So it's more about consciousness and its ability to be sensitive, be aware and make reciprocation of abtsract things to infer a usable data. Then consciousness is infinitely more valuable than pure logic because it's transcend things/life.

My 2 cents...

Hi everybody,

May I suggest to create a site with a forum of some sort, which we (or Garbotalk fo example) could admin' and ban' as needed.

A locked place, on invitation only ? Like after being accepted here (past n' days or n' valuables contributions,etc...), someone could be co-opted in the closed doors forum, where we could really work toward real-time speak clues and advancements ?

This board could be the antichamber of the real forum where work is done and riddles are solved...

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If we can agree on something like this we could begin to work more seriously, without the need to stray off.

I see more than one such case (for topics like free energy for example), where peoples had to prove themselves before being accepted there and the place being a real hub for advancements of the topic, between fellow members who are on the same idea.

If you agree on such thing it's no complex thing to do to set up a private forum on a hosted site and it's not expansive either (few dollars / year if one is willing to do the maintenance/admin stuff).

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By the way: I wish you all a happy new year, full of realisation and progress !

Hi' !

I'm still around, lurking and thinking in the shadows but I would like to step in to tell you about how I feel you desillusioned here (towards mankind ?)... or may be it's just a bad day/week for you ?

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Rejoice, the life is on, the quest continue !

Happy new year to all !

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Thank's but I didn't do something special here, just thinked around his clues.

I was waiting for a context re-framing, to know if it's the right direction or not and if yes, then dig really onto it toward a more precise setup and experiment.

And yeah, it sucks having someone that could probably save the human race himself blindfolded...but then that would be cheating wouldn't it???

behind a screen it's too easy to forget the sacrifice we had to do each day, forgetting some are dying or worse...

It's not a game !

I have a really hard time to think someone had a key to make us advance (on our own if guided a bit) toward indepandance, autonomy, justice and many other things, like truth, for which we have to struggle each day, for which we have to sacrifice and risk so much...

Damn' I need a break.

for some equations you have positives results, for some negatives ones but each ones make you go forward.

The only thing who make you stall is no answer.

You don't seems to know how many " high level shit that sounds like gibberish " like this are posted everyday...

You have innumerable hypothesis like this one, innumerable "proofs" & "counter proofs", innumerable persons who say it's wrong, semi-wrong, false,or innumerable controversies, or you have many devellopments of each one of such hypothesis which spans some 50 years of humans 's work, near 5000 scientific publications, you have specialised publications, you have symposium, you have interest who don't want some things established openly, you have dogma, etc... ad infinitam.

So to make it short: just saying it's a problem of high-v/-e particles or broken symetry and you still have no clue to begin with.

You'll have more chance to pin a nail on a wall blindfolded than to extirpate something from a so flimsy "clue you should have posted yourself".

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If Rd' had to be elusive, OK; but why didn't he answer when you post hypothesis on your own ?

I can relate many things but it's not even dialectic here, it's not even plausible deniality for him, He seems to just don't answer technical questions.

Then why give hope, why talk about precise technical things and give us crumbs to attain some objectives ?

If you want make us cognizant, don't tease us, teach or exchange really.

The only thing which is hard for me is having someone who knows but who isn't in the mood to share more than few bits and pieces to others who are desperatly in need of knowledge and light...

You have spoken about a destruction, about the 40 years limit to answer the beacon and many other things.

So why saying "I know but I won't" ?

about who are you talking about here ?

Are you asking me to simply give knowledge away?

To just hand it over to you?

How stupid is that, when knowledge is power?

Why would I do that?

You talk about some cynic who profit from knowldege but how is cynic the one who hoard it and keep it for himself ?

And after that you make me a lesson about greed because I seek knowledge !

Knowledge is the only thing which grow when shared.

So you want something for your knowledge... anf you dare talking of greed !

OK, so, no problem, I've already put bluntly I will be ready to "trade" for a "currency" you may like, if I can.

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So stop being fucking greedy and pushing for more when you haven’t even finished your appetizer.

Let’s see how you deal with the missing links in your history and handling the knowledge that this planet was salvaged from a damn ice-ball and terraformed.

I’m sure those who deny the outside influences of ‘gods’ will be clenching their fists and beating their heads on their keyboards.

We will have all the time to talk History when the beacon will be used (and then I will be the first to hear it, to learn about your culture, your credo and your ways)... But what I can see now is the time running fast and a countdown ticking.

And I note it is precisly your "appetizers" who leads us here.

I've read with delight many of the exchanges but when you have a countdown to death, you not take the time to look at the butterfly, you fix what must be fixed first.

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So some cynic will believe in me, then run off to the nearest place he can profit from it, and take credit for it himself?

He’s certainly not going to tell people that an alien gave him the information.

Quite to the contrary, he’d patent it and then turn around and sue whoever openly spoke about his ‘proprietary’ intellectual property.

I know you humans and your chicanery much too well to be loose lipped when it comes to things that are worth a lot of money.

About who are you talking about here again !?!

What I see here is some peoples of good intent who hope (like childs) to make their world better and save it.

I don't give a fuck to who you give your knowledge, give it to anyone you deem worthy but please share it so we humans could live freely and begin to make things better (and advert destruction) !

You seems to know well Garbotalk so share with with her for god sake ! And I will be happy to trade my currency for the good of all, I ask no more.

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Why would I answer technical questions?

May be because you have sent us on this path, giving us crumb to follow about some very precise technical things...

It is your precise path I've followed so I come back to you for an answer (even a negative one).

And (as I've already stated) I don't expect to have knowledge "key in hand" but I asked for at least a re-framing of my hypothesis based on your cryptic message.

I've tried to work about what you have said, thinked about it and worked a bit around, now I come back to you for you have sent us first.

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And here I sit with something better than anything that Scientology offers, and I refuse to capitalize on it.

I guess that must make me either unbelievably honest or a damn fool.

For me with the (only) pieces of the puzzle I have, you are undoubtly a fool.

Who stash knowledge ? Who put the lamp under the wood, the lamp must be on the altar so anyone can see his light.

Remember a thing who have been said few days ago:

"It's hurt being judged and then refused to being taught"

If you share the light everyone will be indebted to you (and some propose to pay back the way they can, now).

If you fear for some politican or bad person to keep it for himself then what better way to post it on a public space ?

Then all the men of good will will do their best to realise it.

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I can just hear the teeth grinding now...

And I can hear the omnious sound of time who is running short for us while the bad mens tightens their grip...

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Thank you for brainstorming here.

I don't see the relation about the Levi storie in the context of real-time speak...

For the mica, I've more exactly said in my conclusion:

"and a plate/anode of multi-layered isolant minerals (like mica) ? "

If you take a isolant material only " those pesky electrons "cannot" 'bolting' for the exit first" (at all), so it must be a multi-layered plate/anode made in part of isolant minerals (like mica) and some conductive ones.

I've tried to look for a color related one quickly but didn't find an appropriate one.

Before diving deep in a mix of physic (for various materials or coumpound proprieties) /alchemic (for an harmony view of the ensemble and possibly related materials) /musical (wave related) / etc... , It would be nice if Rd' could at least re-frame the thing because we may be far off and wild...

not to speak about the above but I would like to note how your current answers pattern is ... interesting.

You seems to avoid answer to any technical/precise question, to give us worthy knowldge by answering "lesser" and sometimes unrelated questions.

Sometimes when you answer a question it looks like you are answering an another previous question...

It's quite disturbing (or fascinating as could say a famous vulcan).

I've made some since few days but they were missed completely so I will try to stay mainstream.

I'm quite surprised to not having already see the "all your bases are belong to us" because it's just perfect here.

Any way I stay cool... like Fonzie. ;)

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it si very frustrating to have one who know around, to see the expected crash of our "civilisation" as each day passing and to don't have a better exchange toward a greater good for all.

If it's not for the greater good, You might want to trade some currency for an another, if so PM your price and I will try my best.

You got me, cowboy ! *thunderous freak laugh*

Yes, the destiny/karma put situations before us and we have to make choice (free-will), it's the same for all.

So in all probability "God" will come after the big tragedy, for each one feel the weight of his own choices.

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Yes, pretty accurate.

... But we are still waiting for step 7 a.k.a. more clues toward the beacons, after we have put forth some circonstancied hypothesis.

Precises questions were posed about it in this thread without any kind of answer (even a negative one) if you feel compeled to at least a global framing.

pleeeease....... :)

In what part of you did she saw purple ? bottom, middle, head, top; left, right ?

Usualy purple = spiritual capabilities (green animal magnetism, white divine thing... extremly rare)

I will try to reformulate my question about "real-time speaking":

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From an extract of your (RD') words:

"When someone like yourselves brings the power of the sun upon their world in the form of a blast of nuclear fusion,

that presents one type of anomaly. If someone was to, say...

'focus' that power to sustain a nuclear reaction for the purposes of generating power, that would be another. If someone were to...

use that power to 'speak' over great distances by putting a 'polish' on some rather 'weighty' hydrogen and to create a sort of particle

based 'Newton's Cradle....' Oops... I'm really supposed to stay 'neu' --tral on this sort of thing. But we're you successful,

I for 'one' would be quite 'PLAS' --ed 'two' meet you. Sigh... Ah, those Phoenicians.... Bless their hearts.

Giving us the gift of spelling that just keeps on giving. You know, they're not quite the Phillistines they've been portrayed to be.

They did take it a bit in the backside though, when they stole the 'mic' off the stage and put it in the wrong place.

You might say that gold has a certain 'pull' on things that is unmatched by other, less 'bolted' down 'minerals.'

Especially if the phone 'rings' or rather 'flares up' and there is none there to answer.

Or rather if the 'priest' is not using a plate of the right number and color combination of 'gems' to keep those pesky electrons from

getting impatient and 'bolting' for the exit first.

But enough word play. The Assembly searches for anomalies.

When one leaves their first habitation and goes to dwell in another, it draws no attention to speak using 'light.'

Because light is bound inextricably to the signature of the stars that forged it within their 'bosom\~s' over many thousands of years.

When that light finally escapes it is like the fruit of a plant.

But when one causes 'shoots' of those plants to speak to each other where light has no grasp, it is animal\~us. Oops... Darn autospell.

I meant to spell 'anomalous.' Poor C... I can almost hear him beating his head against the walls and screaming. "

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My decyphering is as follow:

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"use that power to 'speak' over great distances by putting a 'polish' on some rather 'weighty' hydrogen"

'weighty' hydrogen= an hydrogene isotope like deuterium, tritium, quadrium and Hydrogene7; which is more heavy than simple hydrogene.

'polish' = in high pressure environment the H isotopes are said "dark" so if you want to be them shining (the opposite) you had to take one who forms at very low pressure.

It gives us: Use a nuclear fusion reaction to transmit over great distance by putting a very low pressure (confinment) on some tritium (or more heavy H isotope).

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"based 'Newton's Cradle....' Oops... I'm really supposed to stay 'neu' --tral on this sort of thing. But we're you successful,

I for 'one' would be quite 'PLAS' --ed 'two' meet you. Sigh..."

neu = neutrino

one= one (or one electron)

PLAS = plus (or plasma)

Two= 2 (or two electrons)

so: 1 plus (PLAS) 2 = 3 = 3 stand for tritium.

"sigh" = yeah I know... too simplistic may be \^\^

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"gold has a certain 'pull' on things that is unmatched by other, less 'bolted' down 'minerals.'

Especially if the phone 'rings' or rather 'flares up' and there is none there to answer"

'pull' = attraction / (electric) conduction of gold or a gold cathode (remember your physics courses: "the one who give is the one who had more = cathode (+)").

less 'bolted' down 'minerals.' = less 'conductors' minerals

"Especially if the phone 'rings' or rather 'flares up' and there is none there to answer" = Plasma reaction who "lighten up"

the "phone" in the context of real-time speak = this experience/device is the things which permit us to talk over long distances (telephone)

'rings' = energetic state

'flares-up' = the plasma lighting who takes place on a fusion reaction

It gives us: probably a gold cathode and and plasma reaction who must occur.

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"Or rather if the 'priest' is not using a plate of the right number and color combination of 'gems' to keep those pesky electrons from

getting impatient and 'bolting' for the exit first. "

'priest' = the learned one who make the science experiment.

'bolting' = electric discharging.

'gems' = crystal ? mica ?

'a plate of the right number and color combination of 'gems' to keep those pesky electrons from getting impatient and 'bolting' for the exit first.'

= multi-layered isolant material like dielectric minerals such as mica.

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"Because light is bound inextricably to the signature of the stars that forged it within their 'bosom\~s' over many thousands of years.

When that light finally escapes it is like the fruit of a plant. "

Two things who came from the same source will still be bonded to each others = particle entanglement of sort.

"But when one causes 'shoots' of those plants to speak to each other where light has no grasp, it is animal\~us. Oops... Darn autospell."

'animal\~us' = which is animating us : our soul

So our souls coming from the same original source, even if at great distances, are still entagnled.

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"But I've got a 'hall pass' to leave my 'habitation' so he shouldn't be so upset. Not sure what you meant by 'Biblical.'

I'll ask my friend Levi to elaborate. Hmm..."

'hall pass' = in frequency terms = a pass-band filter, here all goes through it.

'habitation' = body

'Biblical.' = leaving his body ?

So with the "context" we have since the begining it should give us: we could leave our body to a certain form, to go trhough the experiment and talk in real-time...

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So my little guess:

What about a (cold) nuclear fusion with tritium under very low pressure with a gold cathode ?

and a plate/anode of multi-layered isolant minerals (like mica) ?

And use this like a ribbon microphone to impress it with our toughts to transmit them in real time over a great distance to our kind from common origin who are still linked to us via soul/common biological origin...

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Pfeee... what a jump ! \^\^

Any hint will be very appreciated ! ... to know if I'm bound to the asylum or the heavens. :)

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But it's seems exactly the same: a convergence of non-locality effects in form of colored "wind"/energy/pattern which enables a "reader" to see the the thoughts of the person as well as his past, and futures and things related to him.

Usualy in the forms of mental pictures, remanants of thoughts and intense feelings.

Depending on the way you access it (i.e: see, feel or else) the perceptions will take many forms.

But I've never seen a "front" fractal pattern like with D M T, nonetheless it's evidently fractal in its essence.

Could you elaborate please ?

many still see and reads auras.

And it's my understanding that everybody could.

Don't worry Elwood, we're on a mision for God ! \^\^

Another one (please):

For the "real-time speak"...

What about a nuclear fusion with tritium under very low pressure with a gold cathode ?

and a plate/anode of multi-layered isolant minerals (like mica ?)

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edit: and use it like a ribbon microphone wile projecting on it our thoughts/soul (or something like this).

Hi,

Since you had spoken a bit about DNA and genetic manipulations, what about the negative rhesus thing ?

I've heard many strange things about it (beside the rejection of a - type baby by a + type mother).

A friend tried to tell me about the A- and color changing eyes being aliens... or something like this.

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The periodic table is not perfectly arranged, there are other(s) view(s) based on other things than the atomic number... way more logic.

Yeah in the modern corpus since the fall of the platonian & pythagorean views (mostly after Hegel), the "animic" principle is missing.

But alchemy mix well with modern method stuff, you "only" have to care to stay true to some principles to keep your material living and "energetic".

It's less about the materials than the process (even the basic ones like distillation); when a modern day chemist can obtain pure substance in few hours/days but the substance is "dead", when you use an alchemia way (anyone) you obatin in months (or sometimes more !) usualy less pure product (but pure is possible) but your substance is living and had a high energy state.

The result for a cure is this: a modern drug is pure but energeticly dead and you have to "saturate" the body to cure, with an alchemy drug it is the energy who mostly cure guided by the molecule even if far less pure.

At least it is my observations.

In french "the matter" (as in material) is said "la matière", heard "l'âme à tiers" = soul in tierce part (of it), it defines pretty well the principle.

The nearest modern field of study I've found to be related to the alchemy is the quest for "free energy" (i.e over-unity). In many of thoses experiments the experimenters are trying to merge modern physic and spiritual-energetic view, like in radionic.

There are many good prospects in this.

Like with the holo' view of the DNA...

Yes, and even worse because the "plan" they conceived is now integrated in many other domains and more importantly in the conscious of the blind masses.

Like the police function in the occidental society which was traditionnaly reserved to army, police and medical (abuse like asylum for some renegades in our moden society): now each level of power, even straight at the bottom, is abusing and easily crossing the line of enforcement or calling straight for them.

You have yellow "courtesy" lines on the floor to wait for a guichet (came from prison), ID cards with RFID and many other innumerable things who were traditionnaly reserved for the law enforcement and are now unleashed by near everyone on near everyone...

See how even some tractors are even proprietary to the point where you cannot repair them yourself !

The legality stepped in the collective conscious and evicted the sanity, responsability and such, so At many levels you cannot reverse the course of the 50 last years without major troubles (and even worse with the younger peoples who grown up without any sane & logical background).

Tacking care of the nature is done individually by many but we cannot do it on larger scale anymore without war or catastrophy (and risking "permanent" tyranny along the way).

This molecule seems to have a central place in the story...

I've just found its related (archived) thread last night and I don't have read it for now but it seems very important.

edit: the lungs ! In the old way we proceded Adrenaline from macerated lung, does it relate ?

I don't want to be picky but IG Farben was the ancestor and the one who established the way and theory to supress traditionnal way of life (agriculture/medecine and such).

The ones who created this company are close to the "planners"/theorists of the "modern man" who have no link to the nature.

They established the do and don't, economy, logistic and near everything with go by to advance the plan.

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While you spoke about ael'chemia...

What about the Quintessence ? The ether ?

It is not faded into oblivion as you seems to think.

There is a little but strong continuation of the big work (at least in France at my knowledge), for the two ways (dry and humid), I think in China they are some who practice it both ora / labora and some goes by the inside way (but I don't know much about its current state).

And from my own observations and experimentation I can state the alchemy go well with "classic" modern chemy, it's far from mainstream or even fringe but some still do it and refines themselves along pratical works.

I don't have seen a "quantum" version of it (for lack of better term), the link with high tech/science and the Faith is not already here.

But the ancient way is living well with modern stuff; for me some things are better one way than (and vice-versa) an other and not all always require to work this way.

It depend on what do you want to work (but for curing or shaman stuff by plant drugs in general, there is no better way for me yet).

It feel "egyptian" related...

Tha Ka within (shining) stones, the eyes closing ritual, the scribe (Thot ?) who appeared.

Could you devellop about it please ?

Monsanto... you probably mean IG Farben.

Yeah, on this topic Stamets is the man...

more than 15 years ago, near nobody thinked about how we can "use" the mushrooms to decontaminate pollued soil and he made this "public" (beside the few fringe shroomies fanaticus who thinked about eco-remediation too and were barred from real scale application for being too "fringe").

He has a very good mentality about the nature in genral and I can only suggest everybody to watch some of his conferences on Youtube.

ps: I just found you links in another thread, so thank you for having posted them. Now I had quite some hours to read (and more to think about it !)

Hi everybody,

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Here I have a hard time again with future propsects:

The common (hu)man is mostly of good intent, he loves the nature and ask no more to take care of a/The garden.

He want to get back from drugs to plant medecine, live in a "green" town where houses and buildings are naturally integrated in the vegetation.

They will prefer to use a non-polluting energy and better if decentralised.

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But here it's always the same problem toward a better future:

the common man is deprived from any possibility of change on a large or even moderate scale.

And in reality he is mostly helpless beside each home or may be little rural town.

Those who "rules" us (or abuse for a better word) are the sames one who profit of the pollution (synthetic drugs and such), so I feel and fear very strongly we -humans- of good intentions will not be able to reverse the flow of humanity toward a more sane, civilised, responsable and socialised life without a war or a catastrophy...

Humans need to becomes better themselves by themselves, to educate and care but the grip of the "bad forces" is thightening each year and -if it's not already the case- I fear we will very soon find we cannot liberate ourselves from the tyranny anymore.

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Wow... I hope you have stay in a good vibe because I know the 'net can sometimes be harsh but if your e-mail inbox is full of this kind of messages it must be rude to be polluated this much.

I send you some you good vibes to compensate a very little bit.

Have a nice day (and don't lose hope of us please).

I think I had a thought:

What if "speaking in real time" is only mastering the "energetic" (for lack of a better word) state of the meditation (or D M T / psychedelia states), where our thoughts are being realised ?

So our currency will be when connected to others beings through this plane we can exchange thoughts, think,dreams and such ?

But if it is such it's seems quite an evolutionary step to acquire this mastering to be utilised at will, in real-time... and to do it in less than 40 years.

A little clue here RD' please ?

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True for the power, but here we have to live by the "good" or by the "bad".

Destiny/karma provide us situations but it's our free will who make the choice.

So some want to make the bad and some make the good and we all live the result of our own choices.

God will surely do something but nothing indicate me He will do something before the acts are made and each had received its just compensation for its actions here...

As surely many others, I will be very happy to ear you about that.

In a another specific thread related to your own spiritual practices may be ?

To those I can also add a tibetan bowl will surely be a good anchor.

And the pattern of the sound in the air is stunning (but very relaxing)...

But any kind of "totem" which is profondly bond to you will do it too (even the simplest object if enough related to you).

Mushies are evenly distributed across the globe and you can even find them all year long in many part of the world.

But I stress you to no look for Amanitas (or anything beside the common psyl'. or Cuben'.) if your not used to them because 95% of the death by mushies ingestions cases come from Amnita generis.

A blueing reaction after bruising is a sign of the species you're looking for.

And you can extract easily too.

But even from the same family (i.e try'ptami_nes"), the effects will difer strongly from D M T and mushies.

Hint: the schroomery...

ther is mostly 3 types of interactions between mushrooms and it's environment:

Parasitic: the host give to the mushies but don't received and eventualy die.

Symbiotic: mutualy profitable relationship with the host.

saprophytic: lives from "dead" matter such as dead tree, litter and such.

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So they are not (all) like vultures.

But they all carry an important task to make the earth living.

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it's quite simple to extract the MAOI like from the Syrian rue, it can be easily done at home with common materials.

Look for it at the D M T nexus if you feel the need for it.

"This is what you mean by how our technological advances have surpassed our spiritual development."

As we say: "Science with conscious is the death of the soul"

We in occident (or at least europeans) have for a very long time thinked (until C. Levi Strauss works for the record) the "primtive" men who live in tribe in amazionia are remanants of pre-historic ages, are primitive, because the "civilised" man didn't found any "signifiacnt" technology in their society.

They even said they were lazy peoples who prefer playing and sleeping than working to build and construct things...

So until recently, the though of the possibility it was a choice for this society to not develop more the technical side (than said its social one) was a sign of "primitivism" and not a conscious choice.

I think personnaly we will encounter in the future some advanced civilisations who should have developed principally 3 kind of civilisations:

1): technological / materialistic ones

2) spiritual ones (who live more "simple" life, with just enough technology to be in harmony)

3) a mix of both, but with probably a technological form which merge profoundly with spiritual/energetistic state. Like conscious-propelled craft or things like this (to keep it simple).

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"What intrigues us are how the proxy leadership of the species deals with issues which result from the applications of “artificial” intelligence in such things as industry."

They will very surely use it to enslave us more and also to accumulate more wealth... without a doubt.

Beside the rationalisation of the process and organisation, those (rulers/bankers) peoples have usualy very few insight of potential creative uses.

And for various reasons the "high" knowledge is being more and more concentrated in less hands, like a cast type of peoples, techno-priests who do voodoo coding if you want, while the bulk of the mass didn't even want to comprehend the matter.

The common man is more dumber each year due to many factors:

environmental pollutions which harm the body and so the brain/cognitive fonctions, emergence of consumerism/materialism and its tendencies to attract peoples in a vicious loop of endless meaningless work/self pleasure and ego (usualy by brain-less entertainment) coupled with the lazy nature of humans, the rise of an Orwell-like dictatorious state (who promote self material enrichissement and frivolous activitaies if not straightly nefarious) in which the rationnal discourse is erased, so too are the possibilities for one to apprehend correctly its environment and act as he should.

Add to that the fact where every information is aviable on-line now so very few peoples still learn and memorise informations, and the generally fewer abilty for one (until from already in a high class/cast) to access highter education and you have a deadly mix to dumb the people at a incredible rate.

And it is only the first thiongs which come to my mind, saddly.

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"We are primarily interested its societal effects, and do not concern ourselves with the high praises lauded by its promoters, as they are primarily concerned with the immediate acquisition of wealth, and much less concerned with the elimination of the tedium and human suffering they so unctuously proclaim."

Here we have during our history saw the emergence of few technology which have been a rupture in the evolution. Those technologies were intended for a puropse but once made aviable, were what we call a "breaktrought technology" as they permit the emergence of new and totaly not forseen developments.

like internet for example, it was developed by the army and some universites for controlled share of informations and finally all the peoples used it in the most inovatives and incontrolled ways, spreeding freedom in every homes.

Beside that -as every human material realisation- it's also a kind of external memory device but this time we may see it on the level of the noosphere (but in few order of magnitudes belows, for now at least).

Add to that the fact where you put in some kind of non-diriged/self-learning IA / genetic algorythms and with all this wealth of informations you should see the emergence of self organised "process" in some stable state, may be distributed, like the very own internet zeitgest... After an external memory, an external self identity.

Quite a prospect !

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"The pharaohs knew well the value of labor and its effects in promoting unity and purpose."

And from our "history" after many centuries of abuses, their slaves had to wait for a an external help from "God" to break their chains and go freely to seek Him and live by its rule...

My very fear, what keep me awake at night, is the very possibility of a point (near or even may be already reached) where the peoples of good intents and thoses who follow the One will not have the possibility anymore to break free and set a peacefull society (at last) on earth... the end of Dharma.

ha ha ha !

Well said.

And I agree to the fact many of us would probably agree to share willingly or trade fairly what you need (I probably will to a large extent for reasonable demand).

I'm sure we could find mutual profitable agrement, even more so if it's about information-currency.

Thank you.

Some walk on the path of the Bad, it's part of the experience.

Are they really impermeable to god ? all of them ?

Is there a prophecy (or something like this) who said they shall repent at their judgment day or choose to die ?

You don't seems to know the weight of the dogma in the archeology... And as Rd said it they are peoples who benefit of us being ignorant... and they rules here !

Same for the LHC at CERN...

A public "disclosure" of the "E.T" and specificaly linked to the beacon/ Gobekeli site is needed, I fear, to gather enough momentum to push things in the right directions.

But the powerfull are already against it.

Just a little thank you Garbotalk for your work as middle-man here. :)

we have coordinates to send the signal : Messier-55 cluster from somewhere between 19h25m31s ± 10s and 19h28m22s ± 10s of ascension and −26°57′ ± 20′ of declinaison/ Galactic longitude (JS2000 equinox).

Its near 3 minutes of angle ! may be problematic with a probable weak-narrowed emission.

(the message was received at this coordinates: 40°15'04"N / 83°02'56"W )

then it's 220 light-years from here... I still don't find the value of the noise background in the WOW signal (I only found it's ratio relatives to the background noise, i.e 30.5 +/-0.5), It will be missing to calculate the dissipation of the signal to know at least the power of the emission to send at the source (beacon), wich presumably need a signal at least of the same intensity.

edit: the intensity of the signal should be 212 or 54 Jy (Jy stand for Janskys).

1 Jy = 10 raised to the power of -26 watts per square meter per hertz = 10-26 W m-2 Hz-1. Thus 1 Jy is 0.01 of a trillionth of a trillionth of a watt of radio energy falling perpendicularly on a flat square surface 1 meter on a side in a frequency band that is 1 hertz (cycle per second) wide.

note: Give me some time to calculate this...

we have the band: hydrogen line 21 centimeters = 1420405751.7667  Hz en bande d'environ 10 kHz .

Duration: 72s

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So we have to excite the hydrogen line with enough power in direction of the source of the WOW signal for the same time.

hypothesis: via a particle entanglement setup with an hydrogen crystal ? a kind of active hydrogen maser ? or a"brute force intensity" radio emission...

Or we have to hard push the guys at the LHC to collide adequatly an hydrogem atom for it to emit on the hydrogen line toward the right direction... not easy at all ! (to shake the guys there...)

it' still unclear.

I take a great pleasure to see an universe in each grain of sand, it's information.

Dreams and thought are too.

And they must have already processed many of our technical knowledge, so may be artistic one ?

It must be some type specificly human creative work I suppose, or at least earthly related.

But as Exicleus said it rightly:

" Sometimes it is hard to determine value until it becomes valuable in needing to know".

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In any case I'm happy about an information based currency because knowledge is the only thing wich grow when shared.

Here I can state this from experience: Mushrooms are formidable toxics absorbents, like a sponge some of them absorb more than 90% of all toxics, heavy metals and such.

Quite handy to expurge the ground (but you have to treat the mushroom after anyway, but he ground is clean.

Sorry for being prosaic again but tempus fugit as we say.

Each day passing the grip of the bad ones here tightens on the good willing individuals.

I fear sincerly we reached a point where we cannot defeat the technocratic devious rulers who enslave us (by money or else).

I can take my shovel and going in cappadocia to begin to dig but I will not last long until being put in jail...

edit: I can try do do a cold fusion experiment or a simple particle entagnlement one instead... (I've not read all the thread before posting this,... sorry)

If we had to wait (even while pressuring) fo the ones who "rules" us do to something then we are screwed.

And since so fews are awake I doub't we could unearth anything in time.

What's your take on that please ?

Hello all,

I step in for a question if you agree:

What kind of information is the most valuable to integrate in an algo'-currency ?

I could see many which are to some extent (at least for "us") but I could also see a point where all information is accessible at least to ours consciousness (to my present knowledge) via the shared (at least human) in this fractal creation...

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Joke: ... beware of the petri dish!

tendencies/nature dictate every single thing for every situation"

Nobody here said so.
All is possible, each rule has its exception, etc...

But the fact remains: there are some natural/biological differences between man and woman (and they are valuable as so).

Sorry to busying you again but may be we should be told first on what order of magnitude the work is.

Many of us here are willing, many should be capable to do or to learn to do.

And for the financial part it depends heavily of the order of the task... I can do some particle entanglement in my basement but i will be very crude (very just above the background noise), so we need a minimum of informations here.

Making some efforts to be polite and social toward a stranger is not he same thing than to put a mask toward a goal, you don't change your nature.

I think the important thing here in the last place (even if we could argue for other reasons) is the realisation of this fact (emphasis on FACT): you, us, they and I don't stand on a certain level.
If a day you have the "chance" to attain illumination, to realise even briefly the unity with the One or what peoples here call God usualy, you should realise there is no stranger, no difference betwwen what can be easily perceived on our regular basis as different beings, there is only consciousness (shared consciousness) ast parts of the One.
And such no one is really a stranger.
Then you care only for "other" to advance their way (and your) for its sake only.
I know we are all subject to physical reality and constraint on a daily basis and also we seek different things in this life, but everybody can attain this bliss (and consequently no one is inferior, only at a different point on the trip).

For me the question here is: does exist other levels after what we human can perceive as God, locked to we but aviable to more advanced species ?
In fact I don't really care (only for the intellectual pleasure now) because logicaly (due to the fractal nature of the creation) it should come to the same conclusion even if it is on "bigger" basis (I.e the total unity under the One, who is).

At least it's what I've perceived but I think its not the place for such dialogues. (I will be happy to discuss this via PM if you want).

I'm sorry to have to step on this but you are giving a terrible and generaly false image of us.

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" Ive always had to put on an image depending on what the situation was and what outcome I desired"

That is scheming,it's bad.

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"Maybe for example my roommates bring home friends... I have to put on a mask of being friendly and pretending like I care about them and what they talk about. "

Wrong, you had to be polite & respectuous toward a stranger, until proven good or bad person and then react accordingly.

If you are not he kind of person to care for a stranger, many of us are.

Are you not for hospitality ? are you not hurt yourself when someone is hurt ?

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" Id likely just be 'myself' and act like they dont exist. Everyone is like this too."

Wrong, many think otherwise (and its good).

My I personnaly think I may laern from everyone, even bad ones.

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"We need to put a mask on, one that benefits us. "

Wrong, it's a blatant scheme. like cunning.

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"But we're doing this for ourselves and our future generations. "

I'm personnaly think we will do a far better job for the future generations by being good and really caring for others beings/part of the creation.

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" Being 'ourselves' wont get us as far as if we were to 'calibrate' our image better. "

Wrong: if you try to be a good person, looking for the good of all, you don't have to pretend, to scheme or things like this.

It is harmfull to do what you suggest, both for you and for the stranger.

I don't want to hurt you but your thinking on those ideas are wrong and nefarious.

A woman even military trained is still a woman and I don't state about how this good or bad, or even is they are good/better soldier.

As you said some of the best spies were women and it's precisely because ther were woman which made them better spies.

Woman had certain charms (not even talking about sexual attirance from man to woman), certain abilities to think (not like the often dumb man who process mostly one though at a time) , etc.

It's because of those very biological differences who made woman spies better to spie on men.

Do you think man has the same maternity toward babies ?

It is the evidence to see the different and complementary leaning between woman and man.

There is no absolute role but natural & biological tendancies/nature.

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Yes I though about it to.

I'm new to Reddit but I was always under the impresion there are much more posters than intesrested usualy... \^\^

Like you said it's quite suspicious, who know what await us in the dark... I prefer to think about some good maybe, whatever the form.

Thank you for this information.

I am both sad and in happy of this.

Sad because this full thread is a testimony of/about us, and in relief for the very same reason (potentialy very problematic if accounted by a non empathic species).

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Beside that, relatives to the folklore and history, will it be possible for you to open a thread somewhere dedicated to asking such questions please ?

I didn't state the fact I recognise without equivoc or problem how they are far before us because I take it for implicit.
Our ancestors bowed to them as the gods, and I will bow to them equally.
This said my philosphical concerns still stands.
I argue not as equal, only as enough conscious of the One to be considered (may be enough for our free will ?).
I, like all us of (or may be there are exceptions), had many wrongs on many points, but I want to go forward, to learn and to act, always with the good in my mind (that because it's my personnal choice).
Currently it's a lack of knowledge who falsify the game.

As said Mahadev to Arjun at the Kurukshetra before the beginning of the war... Karma yoga, the path of action.

it s very hard to exchange with a being without comprehend his values, creed, philosophy and law, at least a minimum.

Beside the good deed of making a non-seflish act for by enlighten us with your knowldge, we (humans) may gain very insightfull informations who may lead to further advancement.

you are right.

But there is the law and the justice (if not just moral but we cannot say here for lack of knowledge on their creed), it's two differents things.

I realised after the coming out of Saldim (far in this thread) the fact there are some who are even worst for us, humans.

But this fact shouldn't excuse or permit anyone to abuse us for being a leeser bad.

I'm too used here about how some peoples are hidding behind the (depraved or abused) law instead seeking to do justice.

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For the "1000 years to grow up": I think the age not always equate to value (but for experience mostly).

I recognise some more worthy as others but all are worthy enough to be considered with love (not always easy...).

And you are right to said we have to fix this mess on earth.

Guidance and good intents will be humbly welcome.

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You seems to be just right again, but I lack knowledge to be sure of it in the grand scheme of things.

OK, thank you.
I'm new to this specific topic, I joined Reddit for this, 2 days before when I learn't about it.
There is so many things we may have learnt from this, so many possibilities to make things better... it's sad.
I will try to refrain my self more but I have hard time to do so for all those wasted possibilities.

No, SOME humans are aggressive, more are not.

And you talk about the ones who conceal themsleves behind a screen but it's from the younger generation who have grown without a frame, in a world without moral.

You won't find that in more older people, only - 30 I think.

Since a bit more than 30 years things are gone mad, like in the book 1984 by Orwell a word now is understood as the opposite for many.

It's "just" a lack of reference and moral. It's very sad but easily reversible.

May I ask you were you have learn such things in such great details please ?

I am curious, I've stumbled on very strange & fringe topics but never heard of that.

there is very few saints but forgiving is god.

Seeking to repair his fault is good if sincerly sought.

Forget the technology, you already have what you need to "meet" other beings.

Think spirituality and exercises.

But from my own experience even "lesser" beings are sometimes more than enough to be frightened.

And sometimes even with no beings just to witness some cosmic event is enough to become mad (too far from the human psyche, if you try to think/feel/be both way in the same time you'll be fried...)

You are not alone; we are.

I bow to you, noble soul.

Be victorious.

I must state here this human fact:

sometimes in human history, some cultures have allowed no one to posses the earth or its elements as it was "public domain" and as such all could use it but none could claim own it for him.

it was only for the greater good, fairly shared as any one needed to.

Many -like myself- think so today (and try our best to act accordingly in a devious system).

our may be not (now) but if they bother put their legal notice on a human channel it is for a reason, a legal reason, regarding us.

If not they hasn't even bothered to do an act so crude as exchanging with their "product"; you seen how they treat/threat us in our brief dialogues ?

I presume it's our responsability to agree or contest, or argue... I can only presume because they don't state the rule of the game, the rule of law.

I don't know for us but here we are required to know the law, so if they don't want to teach us the rules, we can only take pre emptive legal mesures... and it must suffice to nullify their act.

But as one said we have really no choice.

Beside that I must state I don't want that, I want to be in good intelligence with all beings, like everybody else here or near.

After having tried to exchange and argue (I fear mostly in vain) and considering how this "audit" is a legal notice I will state as follow (as a provisional statement, for the lack of knowledge to judge presently adequately on the right thing to do, even if I don't want to have to do it) :

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Considering its extreme proximity relative to our home world (the 3 rd planet after the sun, know by us as the Earth), I make a provisional claim on the behalf of my kind/species (i.e: human) for a fair share of the second planet after the sun/sol also know by us humans as Venus and its ressources.

And also I state our willingness to share it -minus our previously claimed fair share- with any good-intent species for a fair shared use for our mutual benefit if that/thoses species agree to litigate willingly only by peacefull and fair means before a legal panel/court recognised by us humans.

I state our claim over our birthright to rule freely over our home planet (the 3 rd planet after the sun, know by us as the Earth) and claim the right to exercise our free will, free from outside manipulation of any sort.

I also claim the right on the behalf of the rest of the mankind over our own respective body and soul and everything affiliated.

I state our wilingness to seek -freely, by ourselves, without pressures or constraints of any sort -an agrement -before a legal panel/court recognised by us humans- with any potential third parties over any founded reclamations if our free will and rights are fully respected.

Due to the nature of our history (who was hidden from us and thus hampering our capacity to apprehend the future correctly) I made a provision of nullity over any clause, condition or possibility against us if something outside the scope of our present knowledge must arise in the future realtive to those claims.

And I lastly make a provision over any thing who might be missing with our present knowledge for us humans relatively to exercise fully of our free-will and our rights over our possessions.

I humbly state our good intent toward every other sentient and conscious being.

By the One, for the greater good of all, with all my respect,

Lunar_Lander on the behalf of the mankind, Improvised in urgency, 21/09/2018, Earth.

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I need a witness to add if something is missing and testify.

I personnaly state I'm seeking the good of all conscious beings, the welfare of the mankind and its freedom to pursue freely its evolution without being tempered by any external power.

I am self conscious and conscious of the One and seek for him in all what it is.

I agree for some help from other species only if asked and if it is directed to the good of all and reject any malicious intent.

I apologise for the wrong doing some of my fellow humans can do in their ignorance and I believe no one can do the bad willingly, only by ignorance.

In this audit anyone will have the possibility to judge our good will and respect, even if non presently unified.

I will continue to do my best to create & pursue dialogue and comprehension between me and all beings.

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Lunar_Lander.

The left emblem was frequent in certain lunar dinasty in ancient India if I recall corectly.

It was found as emblem on walls, emblem of war like totem poles, on pillars of temples presumably to depict gates or some kind of motors for the Vimanas (the flying machines of those ancient times).

And yes the right pict seems to depict a passiflora flower.

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what a sham to be near such knowledge and be restricted...
Certain things harms but the thruth ,even harsh, set free.

It derserve to have a separate thread on history only.

excuse me to interfere but I have to say many of us struggle and battle each day to make things better for all.
And specificaly since one generation at least, there is more peoples aware and awake who want nothing more than live in peace for the greater good.
Each day here is a struggle to meet even the basic need when you live by the virtue but nonetheless many battle for it and seek the One truely.

I don't see where I missed some respect or what wrong did I say ?
I even stated the fact I'm very well inclined to change what was perceived wrong if I am told.
I also said (on this thread) I have no problem at all to bow to someone of value.

But we have endured many harsh words and even threats... and even after that I do my best to sill try to make things better (and I will continue to do so).
It's a display of respect, humility and intelligence.
I fear here it's not us who aren't playing the game.

edit: Beside that I take your stance for an error.
You tell "image is everything".. that's ego.
I am sorry for you but If you need to put forth an image upon yourself, something is wrong.
I am as usual, no less no more, no differently, except more polite and with more respect, as a diplomatic entrevue requires it.
And a child for sure had not to ask for respect, because his parents should be respecting him from the beginning.
If you re read the thread you will find verey very few comment disrepectuous, what I see is many who want to comprehend and ask genuinely and with respect.
There is no need for you to put yourself down because we are already at the very bottom for them.
Show more in what you are of value.
"Fake it till you make it." = no comment.

I don't know if I can use the word "Kind" to speak of "you" (non humans here) but I have to note (neutrally) near each time you developed your thinking it was via adversial statement...

As a renegade I can only bow to the suprem compliment which has been leaped on you by Saldim in your introduction !
(semi-joke)

And if it has some importance to you, I don't know you but as presented here I can only thank you for having crossed the bridge to a greater harmony between you and a related lower species as such cost.
You have my respect if its true.

that's the point.

And given the nature of shackle who ensnare the mankind, I too don't thnink a long game will be better.
There is now some dreadly weapons of many sorts (war, economics, weather, etc...) who threaten humanity on its full scale.
The grip is tightening as the days goes by.
Humanity as a whole does often its best cornered to the wall... saddly.

whoever/whatever the being who try to exchange, I feel like a duty to clear the way toward a better "live" for both... if possible.
I try, even if it's to speak alone in the wind... but one had to try to make things better.
If the situation may arise where I had to plead before anyone, I will try to do my best.

OK, so let me ask you what if enough to claim and be granted free-will if it's not consiousness of the one/creation and self-consiousness ?

And please don't judge the men by their origin, instead -with respect- judge by our present (good) will.
Like everywhere there is good and some bad ones, don't judge the good by condamning the bad (in inverse too).

Thank you for that, be blessed noble soul.

But how about some courtesy to us, humans ?
The shepard love is cattle even if eat them.
Isn't the same here ?

I prefer to die following the right/the one than buiyng my life with slavery or wrongs.
But that being said for many reasons we have to take on us (even being the exploited) in the hope of building bridge between beings of the same creation/universe.

may I suggest you to allow the benefice of the doubt ?
We are very little in regards to this creation,we don't even know our history truely.
So before passing judgment let the possibility of peace live.
And be able to search on google and asking for humans to define themselves is two differents things.

to Saldin:

If I can answer that on my behalf:
For us humans, communicating and sincerly exchanging require empathy and respect.
And -with all my respect- since the begining "you" have shown little to none, "you" have even displayed threats.

If you are disaptointed by something it must be a good thing to state it precisely and I'm shure we will go te great extent to make it better.
One of my fellow said:
It's hurt to not knowing and being refused to be taught (or something like this).
We don't want to disrespect anybody (in general, there are always exceptions and sociopaths), but we have to understand what is wrong to rectify.
Thank you for your understanding.

edit: for curiosity sake and with my respect: waht is a Bene Phalim ?
I sound like Nephilim and your name "Saldin" sounds like Saladin, a common name from the area where Nephilim are said to have lived.
edit 2: if you consider this insulting, please forgive me and put this on the behalf of us not knowing our history (hidden from us).

Exploit, exploitation:
Make use of someone against its will.
And usualy non beneficiary to him.
A most serious offense/crime for us.

Damn' right !
War had nothing to be proud of, only fools call for war.

But I still don't get how some "presumed" (until proved or refuted) advanced civilsation can dare to threat a scattering kind who shot themselves instead of doing the right thing...

Thank you for your reply.
But I have not agued about your utilisation of "Venus", nor near everybody else here.
I think we have many positive things to "win" and learn if you do so.

If you pretend to declare a legal notice for us ,humans, and making us cognizant, stating your name and declaring possession over Venus only is not enough.
To be legaly admissible here by our law you need to formally aknowledge of your "identy" at large.
To do so properly You have to present yourselves properly for us being able to judge in conscious & full knowledge properly.
And by the way I think personnaly you have to gain in being respctuous of us, by exchanging.
Open a new thread if you want to keep this one clean for legal purpose but please answer.

And in my questions arose the possibility of a mutual agrement in our mutual benefice in regards of what you "neeed" from us humans.

And what about the beacon ?
You stll have don't answered to many questions (even if you don't want to talk about your philosophy).

or they are falsely led to think so.
I didn't exclude a potential (but more than exetremly rare) case of its being founded.

ok, Thank you for caring.

What better than a dvorak keyboard to type a symphony (n°9) to a new world...

sometime bridges are far and hard to cross...
May I suggest you to offer them a chance before being set on this matter.

Many caesar will have to die again before we'll all can live to the higher state.
Near everybody has its fault and forgiving is god.
But first we have to understand each other, really.

Hi Garbotalk,

Sorry to keep you repeating and thank you to clarify some points.
But it's not "our" point of view which I have wanted, it's their, by their own words.
And I dont "dump on them", I had tried to express with respect (even if I don't know to whom I speak and more after being treated so rudely).
I formally spoken, expressed my respect and I don't think having being rude (far less than some of their answers here for the record).

If I have asked those questions it's to know their philosophy and argue about it to prove our value and right to free-will (as well as to share and learn).
the expression of our thinking must be the first hint at our value (if not our actions).

I don't think I'm the only one concerned by this and my/our questions are worthy.
I have no right to answer but in this case let them don't pretent to make us cognisant and wiling to share (at least a bit) of knowledge with us.

So I will wait for them to answer themselves anyway (since they are here to make us "cognisant").
And this time precisely on the questions... I hope.

I will wait with enthousiam your gathering of information.
I will look for the technical stuff with pleasure and attention.
Thank's for the trouble.

And sorry if my english is crude, I'm not really usued to.

ps: you made me laugh at the "wr wr wr wrong" ! ^^

may be cold fusion...

Hello,

After two days of trying I will try again to have some answers for some basic questions, again with all my respect toward you.
Again I will state I'm here to experience with an open mind and advance for the greater good of all, to follow my faith on the One.
I you cannot or don't want to answer, please, state it and why.
And please, don't get me wrong if sometimes I feel too blunt, I'm driven by the desire to exchange and comprehend, truely.

For now you seems to have only put a legal notice on the human channel of communication (internet), only to discharge you of legality and seems to don't care about convincing us or even explaining to us who//what/why... while pretending to be superior.

statement: you said to have organised this audit to make us cognisant.
You said you are much more advanced than us, humans.
You said to want us to answer the beacon by speaking in real time (via particles entanglement).

1): you said to have organised this audit to make us cognisant.
to be cognisant require to have some informations to be able to judge in consciousness. Exchange/learning requires informations too.
To paraphrase one of my fellow eartling:

"Well it still hurts to never be “taught” and then feel judged for not “knowing”.

We may eventualy be of some help if we are provided with some clues (you'll be surpised at what can be thought sometimes).
We may even find an "agrement" who may be mutualy beneficial, i.e: where you have what you want and where we have our free-will.
Just to advance some possibilty: we can think of a social accomodation leading us to depart willingly some of us to you for your whatever purpose, on our (human) common agrement (ex: by reason, by compensation, by justice if the departed are doing some wrong, by lottery, etc..).
But to do this require having some precise informations about your need (and the various modalities).
Even harsh the truth set free.

2): You said you are much more advanced than us, humans.
I'm open minded and ready to make some concessions/changes (and even more for the greater good)... if explained enough to satisfy my reason or to justify it. and I have no problem to bow before someone of value.

Now, after one day in this thread, I've saw some examples of your thoughts where you care no more for us than mere products; for us humans who are conscious (in general, except sociopaths) it demonstrate a profound lack of empathy and in no way a superiority (more the opposite in fact).

Humans as a species is wrong, mostly because we are driven by devious individuals who accapared the system for themselves and made it impermeable to change on a large scale... but many individuals abide by the One and seek no more than living in peace & harmony, seeking the benefit of all living forms.
And even the silent majority ask no more than to live in peace in their free-will, they are mostly ,simple, good persons.
But you seems to judge all of us by how act the bad ones.

If us human who seek god/the One in consciousness are able the recognise the free-will of all life forms (from all life forms as they are part of the creation), how you who are pretending to be superior cannot ?
From what I read you too seems to recognise the One and its rule (and recognise the fact that all what is living/being is by him and so is worthy) so will you deny the same things to other beings ?
What is enough to recognise the free-will and independance of a (conscious) specie ?

I presume since all life is based on the same "core", the situation is approximately the same in all the universe/creation:
some good and some bad, some saints and some corrupts, some colonisators and some colonised, currency, materialism/spirituality and God the One.
But by the same logic some species are advanced to the point where they seek only to helps others and live for the good (and some not).
So I presume You are on the upper side but definitevely not (until proved otherwise) enough superior to us on many aspects to judge & treat us as cattle...
If it so then you are not a benevolent specie and it must be stated.
So please, prove me wrong, at least for your honor (I'm pretty sure you will excuse me for that one because a child don't know, he just speak its truth without malice... ^^).

What Shyeejanut has said about our origin has very few importance beside where we are now and what we seek.
For some "superior" beings you seems to be lacking some basic qualities who are common in humanity...
I may put all this an the lack of comunication or misunderstanding but it's worth being clearly stated by you.

3): the real-time speak & the beacon.
If our only chance to escape chipping planned for few years from now is acknowledging oursufficient state by ringing the beacon as you suggered us to do, then why don't you tell us simply how to do so ?
By particle entanglement, ok so what type (electron, photons)? with momentum, polarization, energy or what ? with what kind of crystal ? to where ? Any other requisite ?
Or may be it's relative to the "planck density" = non local, holographic universe ?
Please be specific, technical and if you cannot state so and why.

I must add may be all of our serious technical possibilities are tied to the politico-militaro industrial complex, the same ones who try to rules us down, so if there is hope to "ring the" beacon it should be done via good willing individuals who can learn and build what's needed by themselves or by a small community (why not under a form of covert guidance if needed too).
So I'm afraid we have some needs for help here, probably like learning a method/way to build the stuff need to ring the beacon oursevleves (peoples of good intents).

I don't mean being dropped what's needed reday to use, "key in hand", but at least some solid directions.
Please consider this because if we must "wait" for officials to do this on our behalf, we are doomed.

I will be very happy to learn and try my best to do this in my basement with my modest possibilies (or to ask peoples who are in the trade if I cannot do this by myself).

And again I ask for a possible alternative: astral projection (out of body experience).
Could i project myself to some specific entity/coordinate/dimension or else to achive the same result (acknowledging our mastering) ?

And beside that I think we will be pleased to learn from you about our history (which was tempered with innumerous times).

So I hope this time you will be willing to really share with us and not just lets us speculate without end for an unknow purpose of yours.
Thank you.

With my respect,
Lunar_Lander.

edits: numerous typo's, sorry.
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No, I think He spoke about the (old) mainframes who host the banking software who runs the trading / QE and such.
Old tech' but most secure and hands-free automated software.

I will appreciate to know (out of curiosity while you talk about DNA and such) if you can tell us something about the A- blood type (or the negative rhesus type and eventually about those who had changing "green-gray-blue" eyes) please ?
I've heard quit few diverse things on the topic and I will be happy to hear your point (if there is one).
Thank you.

It made sense, but after 20 hours being in this thread I think they have no problem to express themselves... when they want to.

From this point none of my philosophical questions were answered, even reformuled differently, even with with great respect.
If they pretend to exchange why not answering about the core points and not about trivial details or things wo were not asked ?
To be cognisant of a thing demand comprehension and judgement capacity, which require exchange of information.
And here the points were not adressed (even to be dismissed).

One said in this thread " it's hurting to be judged when you are denied the the knowledge of the rule by which you are judged".

I don't mind being treated as a "child" if it's reasonable but at least I must be given the reasons to being treated as so.

I know it's still practiced today on the mountain of caucasus and himalaya.
But I still don't get the clear link to the "pine cone" representation... sorry.

Hi Shyeejanut,

Thank you for your answer.
To be clear I think the democraty died with Pericles and I'm totally in agrement with your view on the topic but You didn't answer to my question...

don't judge averybody the same.
Some are bad but some are good, many of us try no more to be right under god law.
What my fellow said is true, even if we cannot offer you many things we may offer you what you need from a good mind, and eventualy for our mutual benefit. May be more than that.
But don't judge all the same and more not by what the mankind were at the begining.

I thin they try tell us we are cattle (sheep) and they (the dog) "fight" with the coyote ("Kayeen).
They do their business while we don't even know it.

Could you please explain us what is the signification of pine cone please ?
As saw some explanations like the pineal gland theory, energy theory or even a tool and such, but I would greatly appreciate if you could share your knowledge on this topic.
Thank you.

The left image reminds me of a lunar royalty emblem in incient india, the right one remind me of two things:
1): the concept of earth as a garden of whom certain had to take care.
2) (mostly secret) societies who goes by the emblem of the rose.

Superior on what regard ? in what frame ? for what purpose ?
If there is one truth -and there is one as there is the One who is- you can always argue spiritualy.
And by tthis way what is greater than the good ? And so one must abide by the rule and state if he is for the good or for the bad, if he is for the bad we can expect decieving and such, if they are by and for the Good they should at least try to answer at self-concious beings who ask genuinely.

Thank you for you answer.
I remember a quote from the Mahabharata: "the people wish for a king who will be calm and just".
I Agree on the flaws about democracy but royalty had its owns.
With my respect, I hoped for something better from an advanced civilzation... like a collegial agrement and provisoir nomination for specific task and merit and natural individual inclinations; or something like this.

And to better cmprehend you thoughts:
Why did you say -about poeples who want to live freely but are misguided by corrupt person: "return the people to the peasantry they so richly deserve"
Why the blame don't go to the bad leader ?
I ask you that because now on many places the corrupt leaders are so well implanted, a normal people have no means to change the situation (at his despair).

Hi to this new day,
Having no response to the important questions yesterday I will try my best today again.

Disclaimer: Not everyone here is a convert or Ba'Alaket friendly to the point where they abdicate their free-will so let me ask some questions -with respect and good intent- for the sake of the comprehension inside this audit made to comunicate. Thank's

1a): what is the self & prerequisite for free-will & independance for you ?

1b): Don't you agree on that and why:
If we can't found the One by ourselves and want to live by him free on consciousness, isn't enough to be recognised at valuable enough for our free-will ?

2) If you are a specie so advanced (relatively to us), how can you manage the fact to use some first looking bads methods on conscious peoples who want to live freely ?

3): if you want a us to akcnoledge via the beacon (even via POW tap code), can you direct us to a technique who work ?
exemple: you called for particule entanglement, so can you teach us a mean to do this in a relatively macro scale to be able to do this by ourselves and not depend on the bad peoples who (saddly) rules us by the power of money ?
May be a psychic link whill be better ? Could I manifest my self in astral form somewhere to someone specificaly to acknowledge the same thing as vias the beacon ?

4): Do have thinked about other way which will respect our free-will and be mutualy profitable ?
exemple: tell us (as a society once purged from the bad elements, with your help may be ?) why we cannot agree on some quotas to be delivered for you (or something like this) ?
I can see many resaons where it's better for us and seemingly the same for you (if you explicite your aim better it will be simpler on this).

Thank you.
With my respect.

Yeah, you're right.
But it's them who are pretending auditing us... to this point no important question was answered, no more on the very topic, they just let us renting and extrapoling.
Not even answering basic question about the audit they brought themselves...
So yeah, we will found by ourselves in all the spaces, ever connected.
I was keeping my expectations low for not knowing who was behind but even then I'm disapointed.
Have a good day bro', i'm going to sleep.

strange... my specie is living each day in awe and admiration for the creation and the One who give life to it.
Each day some marvel arrise, very little or big, each day we learn and advance on the path of truth.
We give without asking, please for its sake and try our best (most of the time) to follow the Good.
But I too dream of the day which will see our liberation as a specie from the shackle of the oprressors (whatever they are).
90% of the people ask no more than living in peace, freely.
But each day is a grace nontheless.

Haa my fellow earthling', I feel happy with guy like you around.
I'm new to Reddit (from tonight) but if had knowledge on how to boost your karma I will do so !
especialy for this:

Well it still hurts to never be “taught” and then feel judged for not “knowing”

I'm more interested at what could be done done as we are sentient and self conscious.
Many of us are awake, many have seen through the veil...
We deserve at least some explications, even more if they pretend to be superior to the point where we are mere cattle.
But it's been more than 6 hours already, peoples goes away and no important question was answerd, even when it's about optimisation of the process (their process !).

Oh we have some strong common ground, the One (from which all exist) is the first & principal.
And to "hear" them it's seems they are affected by the same very affectations, like elitism, anger, etc...
I try to hear from their bright side since the beginning but I couldn't have a answer relative to their philosophy and throughs...

But who claim Mars ?
The people want to live on their own, freely in peace.
Some have abused the system, now the system is perverse but the people still want the same thing: living for the good.
At least 90% want this...

even without full blown insurection we can envisage different possibilities:
lottery or agrement with compensation for the family who "donate" one of their own, or whatever...
But being conscious and being treated as cattle is wrong on many level.
I too feel we can do better, especialy after seeing the new generation; as the time pass I see more and more who are awake and who have found their way/god etc... I'm relatively optimitic.
But I would like to be answered even if not considered.
How can they dare pretend being superior if they cannot even answer some questions ?

Thank you for the reply but you don't have answered the questions.

Beside that I don't mind gold too, I prefer spirit.
And without disrespecting you, mining planetoïds with bots for milleniums dooesn't equate to many things beside being technologicaly advanced, but it's not a prerequisite to advancement as civilisation as far as I know.

I will be very happy to have some good neighboors (on Venus or on earth), it will surely make things better (for us) in a way or another.
But please answer my questions because a lot depend on it philosophicaly.
Thank you.

I know very well how it is for us, thank you, but what I would like to know is how it is for "them" in relation to us humans.
He make some strong claims so I asked him to explain them.

edit: And for the good sake, not every humain is such fool, some are good enough to be fair and respectful for all lives (of all kind)

No the langage define the reality.
But some of us have experienced the untiy and saw many things behind the matter/the veil.

Permit me if that so and eternal class structures are eternal to ask you -with due respect- to teach how and why please ?
And with that how do you position yourself and your specie relative to the One ?
I've learned that all what it is came from the One which is.
I all life/manifestation is precious.
May be I'm wrong, so please teach me on this matter.

I know and agree but facing a specie who harvest us it's seems a bit off.
It will be comparing ourselves to objects.

Thank you for the clarification on this matter.

I still have some questions please:
Now what possibilities do we have beside that ?
How can we learn to speak in real time practicaly ?
Don't you abide by the greater good and acknowledge the self-conscious and lety them be by their free-will ?
have envisionned the possibility of a mutual agrement as species for a mutual benefit and with respect of our free-will ?

Thank you for taking the time to answer those question.

To this point -even being optimistic by nature- I begin to doubt the possibility of freeing ourselves collectively on the earth...
I will be happy to have a blessed soul/specie to help on that.
But I think if the possibility arrise of getting rid of the parasits/bad peoples (simplification here), humans (the common people) alone are enough to take care of the earth as it should be for the greater good.
The majority of the peoples ask for now more :to live in peace.

Could I advise you to do not use "soul" in this meaning ? I think it should be better so.
thank you.

edit: when we are arguing about human sake...

Could I dare ask your average age if it's not impolite to ask a demoiselle (=lady in french) ? ^^

Don't get me wrong, I try to pursue dialogue.
They have established this audit for thoses very reasons but without reference how can you exchange ?
From the texte you have cited it's seems they have no idea of the possibility which could arise from cooperation.
So I try to engage in a clear exchange, clearly stated.

And after that I have a very hard time to allow the possibility of a more "advanced" specie who will not abide by the Good (if not it should be clear since a moment), so in this case how they cannot recognise our consciousness and recognition of the The One and our will to live for it freely ?
It's far from clear saddly.
And again I state my respect and good will to comprehend/help.

I second that heavily !
If things/goal are stated clearly we could began to advance.
If the goal is to know how to speak then teach us.
But my fellow earthlings has pretty well defined the problem (thank you).

I concur on that.
Many are thoses (mostly from the last generations) who are longing for the truth, to unite with the source and to live for the greater good of all.
And if only for that I have trouble to imagine we as species or as individuals are not developed enough to merit free-will.
I will really appreciate to have "their" point of view on this matter.
Thank you.

It complement archeology/history very well... as if it was yersterday.

If they judge, they have conditions to met for judging.
So If they could share the values to to defend to be considerate as "enough for their free-will", we may be could do it better.
As for "speaking", if they show us the data.sound or whatever the speaking uses we could do better.

I'm still troubled and indecisive about this.
A: either they just put a legal notice for their business and don't care about our say
B: they care for us at least a bit and if so they should try to at least exchange properly if not helping us outright, even only for the greater good
.
I'll be more than happy to try to prove my/our value if I can but if it's possibility it must be said clearly.
For now we (humans) reach in every directions on this thread because the purpose is not fully clear/stated clearly in this thread by "them".
If the goal was clear ve will could do better for sure.
with my respect.

I totally disagry with you about our value.
If we can found the One and live for it (if only as individuals), it's enough.
Consciousness and sentience are a thing.
After that we can do many things if we want.

So the better will be for them to teach us clearly how to "speak" rightly and clearly and after that I will be the first one to fill the legal paper to declare our value...

OK, so forgive my ignorance.
Thank you.

the Tree of life.
...And the humans groomed by Anunakis.
to make it short.
edit I hesitate to add:
And the "gods" who are harvesting adrenochrome/energy/bio-material from the humans...

I must agree.
I stumbled on the topic few days ago and came here open minded to learn and share if possible.
I will be more than happy to paticipate with fellow beings for a/the greater good...
But I think some of us are new here like myself and being only for that, I hope they will share more knowledge/history/intentions/purpose/etc...
Some of their phrasing and statements is a bit mechanistical and lacking of good intent.
I'm not here to judge, I'm here first to learn and for the comprehension wich lead to exchange (again for the Good).
Thank you for your comprehension.

OK, thank you.
edit: I will be happy to see their script (and try to comprehend it)

310021 104 ? or
7 00 2 9 0 4 or
8 00 2 100 4 ? or
2 -1 00 -2 1 stop -1 0 4
or ternary: 112 00 22 / 2 0 1111 ?
or letters maybe ?

to say it from another point of view: The One is.

Demeter cult as such is quasi extinct but -as frequently in human history- anoher cult/religion keep its meaining under another form/name.
So yes, we can say there is still Demeter worship today.

So to be clear on the (important) subject they should state it here themselves for the record.
Thank you.

May be I'm wrong but the metaphor for "growing" humans seems a bit off, for the less...
And to answer yout question (@Shyeejanut) "You will answer please. What have you done with your horses?":
I -my self- do what I can to reach the One.

Due to the nature of the interaction a bit more phrasing will be better I think.
Comprehension is a prerequisite to exchange and approval.

To be fair I must add this (from the Advisory thread):

"...
What sort of evidence did the Ba'alaket submit to the courts to demonstrate the formation of this independent intelligence?

[–]reptiliandudeReptilian[S] 6 points 5 hours ago*

Proprietary software developed by 'humans' used primarily in logistics and banking.

We have algorithms that think and learn and thus develop a behavior, seems like a simple codified norm for "independent intelligence", no?

[–]reptiliandudeReptilian[S] 4 points 5 hours ago

Yes.

But none so 'purposeful' and as intent on impacting and controlling the development of the human potential as those coming out of logistics and banking."

To me it's seems to they are only here for legal purpose.
I will be happy to be wrong...

Hello,
By the extreme concision of your langage you seem to be very analytic/mathematic, can't you ou don't you want to be more descriptive for a better introduction ?
Thank you.

edit: typo.

Just to follow on the subject as it looks like we have some time:
If one thing must dictate the "apex" it must be consciousness first (and after that actions).

Excuse me but isn't a bit presomptuous to think so ?
We, humans as species, are lacking knowledge for many, many things, even our own history.
Add to that the "fringe" tales of cryptid creatures/species living underground/antartica (just to name a few) as advocated by many fellow humans, I think we must keep an open mind about such topic until proved or refuted.

edit: typo.

You too are right to say "The reality is that being advanced doesn't make alien species all kumbaya and about peace and love.".
... But, to be sustainable and endure, a civilisation had to be unified; for the the good or the bad.
And knowing how the "law" is, first differrent than Justice and second: a shield to cover infamy most of the time, I'm a bit worried to see "them" coming under the shield of the legality (and not even speak about something better)...

If "they" are civilized to the point which we are like cattle (so to speak) I assume they must be more spiritually inclined than materialistic...
Between having some need of materials/materiality and having a civilisation based on materiality there is abyss.
Being hyper-logic is understandable but I'm curious if "they" cannot go by another better way because it's feel a bit mechanical here.

... and thank you for the "welcome" ! :)

Hi everybody,

First Reddit post ever (long time lurker'), I come In (open minded) just in case...

About the topic:

I have a little trouble with the idea of commercial organisation first to make "contact" (via this audit).

I would like better if "they" were about shared logistic (or better) since commercial here is a bit "tainted" with negative endeavor/goal/means/etc...

I understand the "legality" thing but it seems to me there are better way to achieve this, mostly by focusing on philosophy aspects and

everybody right to/for the "god/source" and eventualy materiality.

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